Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-12-2011, 10:02 PM
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Question for anyone holding DAL stock: If you had the amount of money in cash that you currently have in DAL stock, would you invest it in DAL stock? In other words, do you think DAL stock is the best performing investment you could have that money in?
BTW, I'm not trying to be critical. I'd just honestly like to know what you're thinking.
BTW, I'm not trying to be critical. I'd just honestly like to know what you're thinking.
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07-12-2011, 10:24 PM
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Oh God, I think I just threw up in my mouth ...
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07-12-2011, 10:41 PM
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I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table. It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?
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Send in your card. You have nothing to lose. When the vote comes down the road, that is the time that the decision really has to be made. It's like a job interview. You really don't have to make a choice until the position is offered to you. Seriously, why NOT send a shot across the bow of ALPA?!?! Only good can come from that. What, you have friends at ALPA National that might be offended? Screw that. This is business and they have been performing poorly.
A few months ago I was deadheading out of PNS (as I recall) at o'dark thirty and a couple of ALPA bigwigs were put next to me on the flight. I don't remember their names, but I have seen their mustached faces in the monthly mag. I only wanted to catch a nap before my long day really got started, but they were proud to introduce themselves to me as so and so of ALPA, as if I should have known them by sight. They then asked me what I thought of the transition to DAL as I'd only been here about 3 years. In a very positive manner I outlined how much better DAL was than my previous employer. However, I did bring up a few sticking points as I've been a union member for a good while if you include my previous life. The few semi-negative comments I made were met boldly with the "talk to your reps" response. In other words, I felt they could have given two *******s about what I had to say. It was like water off a duck's back.
Send in your card. Talk to your friends within the pilot group and convince them to do the same. Take it to the streets.
I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table. It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?
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Send in your card. You have nothing to lose. When the vote comes down the road, that is the time that the decision really has to be made. It's like a job interview. You really don't have to make a choice until the position is offered to you. Seriously, why NOT send a shot across the bow of ALPA?!?! Only good can come from that. What, you have friends at ALPA National that might be offended? Screw that. This is business and they have been performing poorly.
A few months ago I was deadheading out of PNS (as I recall) at o'dark thirty and a couple of ALPA bigwigs were put next to me on the flight. I don't remember their names, but I have seen their mustached faces in the monthly mag. I only wanted to catch a nap before my long day really got started, but they were proud to introduce themselves to me as so and so of ALPA, as if I should have known them by sight. They then asked me what I thought of the transition to DAL as I'd only been here about 3 years. In a very positive manner I outlined how much better DAL was than my previous employer. However, I did bring up a few sticking points as I've been a union member for a good while if you include my previous life. The few semi-negative comments I made were met boldly with the "talk to your reps" response. In other words, I felt they could have given two *******s about what I had to say. It was like water off a duck's back.
Send in your card. Talk to your friends within the pilot group and convince them to do the same. Take it to the streets.
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07-13-2011, 12:02 AM
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But inexchange for that.......how much will WE have to give up? You can't have both, right? I am expecting DALPA to say we can either have more pay (hopefully SWA+ for our 737s), OR we can have no increase in our scope allowance. Notice no TIGHTENING of scope, just no loosening of scope. Cryptic, but expected. How about RESTORATION? We are a bargain. Come on slow, say it..."help me help YOU."
07-13-2011, 12:59 AM
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07-13-2011, 03:05 AM
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I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table. It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?
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Send in your card. You have nothing to lose. When the vote comes down the road, that is the time that the decision really has to be made. It's like a job interview. You really don't have to make a choice until the position is offered to you. Seriously, why NOT send a shot across the bow of ALPA?!?! Only good can come from that. What, you have friends at ALPA National that might be offended? Screw that. This is business and they have been performing poorly.
A few months ago I was deadheading out of PNS (as I recall) at o'dark thirty and a couple of ALPA bigwigs were put next to me on the flight. I don't remember their names, but I have seen their mustached faces in the monthly mag. I only wanted to catch a nap before my long day really got started, but they were proud to introduce themselves to me as so and so of ALPA, as if I should have known them by sight. They then asked me what I thought of the transition to DAL as I'd only been here about 3 years. In a very positive manner I outlined how much better DAL was than my previous employer. However, I did bring up a few sticking points as I've been a union member for a good while if you include my previous life. The few semi-negative comments I made were met boldly with the "talk to your reps" response. In other words, I felt they could have given two *******s about what I had to say. It was like water off a duck's back.
Send in your card. Talk to your friends within the pilot group and convince them to do the same. Take it to the streets.
had the same experience awhile back walking with NWA pilots doing info picketing at DTW in another life, felt like i was talking to politicians,of the snake oil variety, good luck with DPA, you gents are the standard bearers now,Delta is THE legacy,all eyes are upon you.
I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table. It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?
QUOTE]
Send in your card. You have nothing to lose. When the vote comes down the road, that is the time that the decision really has to be made. It's like a job interview. You really don't have to make a choice until the position is offered to you. Seriously, why NOT send a shot across the bow of ALPA?!?! Only good can come from that. What, you have friends at ALPA National that might be offended? Screw that. This is business and they have been performing poorly.
A few months ago I was deadheading out of PNS (as I recall) at o'dark thirty and a couple of ALPA bigwigs were put next to me on the flight. I don't remember their names, but I have seen their mustached faces in the monthly mag. I only wanted to catch a nap before my long day really got started, but they were proud to introduce themselves to me as so and so of ALPA, as if I should have known them by sight. They then asked me what I thought of the transition to DAL as I'd only been here about 3 years. In a very positive manner I outlined how much better DAL was than my previous employer. However, I did bring up a few sticking points as I've been a union member for a good while if you include my previous life. The few semi-negative comments I made were met boldly with the "talk to your reps" response. In other words, I felt they could have given two *******s about what I had to say. It was like water off a duck's back.
Send in your card. Talk to your friends within the pilot group and convince them to do the same. Take it to the streets.
07-13-2011, 03:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I am completely confident DALPA will not open the door further, and perhaps may even close it a bit.
^^^^^^^^^
PG, Do you still stand by your prediction that DALPA will not open the scope door further and may even close it a bit?
Alfa, Slow, and Sailing, we never heard from you on this. Please help us sleep better at night by giving us some peace of mind. Tell us scope is not on the table.
V/R,
FlyZ
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I am completely confident DALPA will not open the door further, and perhaps may even close it a bit.
^^^^^^^^^
PG, Do you still stand by your prediction that DALPA will not open the scope door further and may even close it a bit?
Alfa, Slow, and Sailing, we never heard from you on this. Please help us sleep better at night by giving us some peace of mind. Tell us scope is not on the table.
V/R,
FlyZ
And all of the conspiracy theories regarding the Negotiating Committee election are just that. Some of the typical whiners think this is all some grand plan for the S guys to run over the N. I think that is pure speculation, without a shred of evidence.
07-13-2011, 03:12 AM
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I asked someone very high up the ALPA food chain what the heck is really going on. He explained the Negotiating Committee is the only DALPA committee elected by the MEC; all the others are appointed by TO. The NC does NOT report to TO; they work for, and take direction from, the MEC. He is not happy about this lack of control. Hence, he is trying to recall them.
This is a page right out of LM's playbook. Whether it is good or bad depends, I guess, on whether or not you share TO's vision. Personally, I don't know since I have no fu*@#ing idea what his vision is. Anyone who does, please feel free to post it here.
What it will do is remove the reps from the picture and place the NC under one man's agenda. So much for "talk to your rep", "get involved" and "work within the system." Lots of luck with all of that.
This is a page right out of LM's playbook. Whether it is good or bad depends, I guess, on whether or not you share TO's vision. Personally, I don't know since I have no fu*@#ing idea what his vision is. Anyone who does, please feel free to post it here.
What it will do is remove the reps from the picture and place the NC under one man's agenda. So much for "talk to your rep", "get involved" and "work within the system." Lots of luck with all of that.
The current committee was elected by whom?
The future committee will be elected by whom?
Answer: The MEC
07-13-2011, 03:13 AM
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With the exception whether or not you actually had a conversation (I can't verify that), not one word of what you've written is factually correct.
The Merger Committee and Pilot Director are also elected by the MEC. The MEC Chairman is an ex officio member of the Negotiating Committee. There is no attempt at recall, there is an election as called for in the Delta MEC policy manual.
Why would you or your "high up in the food chain" insider spread stuff like this? Does it help you on a path to get a better contract?
Just a suggestion, but you might want to check your sources.
The Merger Committee and Pilot Director are also elected by the MEC. The MEC Chairman is an ex officio member of the Negotiating Committee. There is no attempt at recall, there is an election as called for in the Delta MEC policy manual.
Why would you or your "high up in the food chain" insider spread stuff like this? Does it help you on a path to get a better contract?
Just a suggestion, but you might want to check your sources.
How is it that everyone thinks the Chairman runs the show, rather than the MEC????
07-13-2011, 03:30 AM
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But inexchange for that.......how much will WE have to give up? You can't have both, right? I am expecting DALPA to say we can either have more pay (hopefully SWA+ for our 737s), OR we can have no increase in our scope allowance. Notice no TIGHTENING of scope, just no loosening of scope. Cryptic, but expected. How about RESTORATION? We are a bargain. Come on slow, say it..."help me help YOU."
Sounds much more positive than taking it back, although they both mean the same thing.
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