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07-12-2011, 07:37 PM
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Just a suggestion.
07-12-2011, 07:48 PM
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07-12-2011, 07:51 PM
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07-12-2011, 07:58 PM
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With the exception whether or not you actually had a conversation (I can't verify that), not one word of what you've written is factually correct.
The Merger Committee and Pilot Director are also elected by the MEC. The MEC Chairman is an ex officio member of the Negotiating Committee. There is no attempt at recall, there is an election as called for in the Delta MEC policy manual.
Why would you or your "high up in the food chain" insider spread stuff like this? Does it help you on a path to get a better contract?
Just a suggestion, but you might want to check your sources.
The Merger Committee and Pilot Director are also elected by the MEC. The MEC Chairman is an ex officio member of the Negotiating Committee. There is no attempt at recall, there is an election as called for in the Delta MEC policy manual.
Why would you or your "high up in the food chain" insider spread stuff like this? Does it help you on a path to get a better contract?
Just a suggestion, but you might want to check your sources.
I'll concede I did not know the Merger committee was elected. That said, why is this "normal meeting" so contentious?
07-12-2011, 08:03 PM
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But inexchange for that.......how much will WE have to give up? You can't have both, right? I am expecting DALPA to say we can either have more pay (hopefully SWA+ for our 737s), OR we can have no increase in our scope allowance. Notice no TIGHTENING of scope, just no loosening of scope. Cryptic, but expected. How about RESTORATION? We are a bargain. Come on slow, say it..."help me help YOU."
07-12-2011, 08:05 PM
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Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all. The MEM voting reps are not on board with large, restorative pay increases and they concurred with the lack of interest in pursuing the RAH scope violation.
07-12-2011, 08:16 PM
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One other thing. LM isn't here anymore, you'll have to find another bogeyman. If you're really interested in TO's vision and not just political hackery, you can read the last 7 months of communications. You might concentrate on his Chairman's letters as a start.
Just a suggestion.
Just a suggestion.
07-12-2011, 09:36 PM
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If the same lawyer team that helped craft Section 1 now advises us that the language is weak, something is amiss....
Either:
Cheers
George
Either:
- The original lawyers did a poor job
- The current lawyers aren't good enough to get results
- There is a lack of interest in pursuing legal action
Cheers
George
Can anyone answer this question?
Anyone?
07-12-2011, 09:44 PM
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07-12-2011, 10:00 PM
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Well, it appears clear that your reps don't want or are not willing to do anything about it. Off the top of my head, here are a few options:
1) Recall your reps and put reps in that will do something about it. (Easier said than done.)
2) Get ALPA National to fire their current lawyers and replace them with competent ones. (Yeah, right.)
3) Get resolutions passed in most or all of the LEC's directing the MEC to pursue this legally. (Can you say, "received", or "we'll look into that and get back to you?")
4) Replace ALPA with different representation that is not afraid to argue matters of principle and will direct their attorneys to pursue this and will not accept failures with ineffective contract language. (Again, easier said than done.)
1) Recall your reps and put reps in that will do something about it. (Easier said than done.)
2) Get ALPA National to fire their current lawyers and replace them with competent ones. (Yeah, right.)
3) Get resolutions passed in most or all of the LEC's directing the MEC to pursue this legally. (Can you say, "received", or "we'll look into that and get back to you?")
4) Replace ALPA with different representation that is not afraid to argue matters of principle and will direct their attorneys to pursue this and will not accept failures with ineffective contract language. (Again, easier said than done.)
But the point is, you can't make a difference in this system. I think Thomas Jefferson was right when he looked at another system that was bound never to change and said this:
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
I actually appreciate Slow and PG and Sailing for coming on here and talking to us and expressing their point of view because it's more than the one snide sentence responses I've gotten from my LEC. Makes me see why showing up for a meeting at a hotel is just a waste of time.
We do not have a voice until we threaten to do the only thing we can do, replace. It's a notion pilots should understand, being replaced. After all, what replaced the NWA DC-9-10 or even the -30 and the Delta 737-200?
I have not thrown in my DPA card yet. But I think ALPA National wallows in it's conflict of interest and DALPA, the good soldier, seems to tell us talking about scope is giving away bargaining position. To which I wonder, if you don't want to say it's not on the table then you're saying it's on the table? It's only natural we might move towards a substitute given the system and it's direction. I believe the notion of doing so is something the cool kids call, a whipsaw?
Question for anyone holding DAL stock: If you had the amount of money in cash that you currently have in DAL stock, would you invest it in DAL stock? In other words, do you think DAL stock is the best performing investment you could have that money in?
BTW, I'm not trying to be critical. I'd just honestly like to know what you're thinking.
BTW, I'm not trying to be critical. I'd just honestly like to know what you're thinking.
I'm worried more about our customer service culture than I am about the price of oil. When I see a DCA gate agent use one hand to shoo away a customer with a question, or I see an ATL gate agent tell a Diamond Medallion member that she can't board the airplane with the open gate door without so much as a smile and an apology, I fear for my future.
We fly the airplanes safely and professionally, but the public *expects* that. Outstanding customer service is what attracts and retains customers, and I personally intend to go further out of my way to both set the example and write up those who either excel or fail at making our customers feel like they're the most important people in the world.
We fly the airplanes safely and professionally, but the public *expects* that. Outstanding customer service is what attracts and retains customers, and I personally intend to go further out of my way to both set the example and write up those who either excel or fail at making our customers feel like they're the most important people in the world.
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