Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-10-2011, 03:53 PM
Da Hudge
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Check... this was just too easy:
07-10-2011, 03:57 PM
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07-10-2011, 04:02 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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07-10-2011, 04:09 PM
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07-10-2011, 04:09 PM
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The straw man arguement that FedEx and UPS are so different as to warrant exclusion from our compeitive peer group is completely self refuting. If all the money flying airplanes is truly into cargo as the arguement for competitive peer excusion is made, then why are those very same managers making that arguement the same ones saying there is no money in cargo? And then tripping all over themselves to sign massive postal contracts as fast as they can precicely because of how lucritive it is?
We have difficulty with payloads and performance on several long haul routes due to the tons of cargo we load, and some of those routes have nothing to do with short runways or high terrain (like ATH when we were carrying so much yogurt and/or marble we were load limited).
So if all the money is in cargo and we therefore can't throw those rates in for comparison, then why are we not going into cargo? If there's no money in cargo, how can they afford those rates?
Bottom line, they fly the same equipment in the same airspace and hire from the same talent pool of pilots as we do, and they are global powerhouses like we are. So it is pure fantasy to think they are somehow so seperate that they are irrelevant.
And absolutely ROFL @ anyone who claims SWA isn't not only a competitive peer but also an absolute floor for compensation as they are 100% relevant.
We have difficulty with payloads and performance on several long haul routes due to the tons of cargo we load, and some of those routes have nothing to do with short runways or high terrain (like ATH when we were carrying so much yogurt and/or marble we were load limited).
So if all the money is in cargo and we therefore can't throw those rates in for comparison, then why are we not going into cargo? If there's no money in cargo, how can they afford those rates?
Bottom line, they fly the same equipment in the same airspace and hire from the same talent pool of pilots as we do, and they are global powerhouses like we are. So it is pure fantasy to think they are somehow so seperate that they are irrelevant.
And absolutely ROFL @ anyone who claims SWA isn't not only a competitive peer but also an absolute floor for compensation as they are 100% relevant.
We carry so much cargo that it really has been a gold mine for DAL. Just look at the cargo we carry over the pacific, South America, most of Europe and Africa. I consistently see 35-40K of cargo.
07-10-2011, 04:10 PM
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To put in perspective, last year DAL had a great year, with a NET income of almost 600 million for the year with well over 700 airplanes. Atlas & Kalitta, doing nothing but cargo, no overnight express, each did about 1/4 of DAL's numbers with about 1/25 of the airplanes.
But there's no money in cargo.
But there's no money in cargo.
07-10-2011, 04:13 PM
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That is what those poor lassies have to do to put food on the table. You know they do work for O'Leary. He pays em horribly.
Oh btw their pilots are some of the worst paid in europe and they still make more than our guys.
Last figure I was given was over 200K in US dollars a year.
07-10-2011, 04:18 PM
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That is what those poor lassies have to do to put food on the table. You know they do work for O'Leary. He pays em horribly.
Oh btw their pilots are some of the worst paid in europe and they still make more than our guys. Last figure I was given was over 200K in US dollars a year.
Oh btw their pilots are some of the worst paid in europe and they still make more than our guys.
Last figure I was given was over 200K in US dollars a year.AWRIGHT ACL!! first its thrice now its lassies...I'm comin over.
07-10-2011, 04:24 PM
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Until now I have ageed with the majority of your well thought out posts. However, I believe this was a really cheap body shot directed at some of my fallen brothers.
Apologies if I misunderstood your post.
BG
07-10-2011, 04:26 PM
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