hockeypilot44

I do not want a longevity based pay system. I want a pay system that does away with longevity altogether at the company. Our 12 year pay scale should be the only pay scale we have. A year 1 MD-88 first officer should make the same as a year 12 MD-88 first officer. After all, an MD-88 first officer is an MD-88 first officer doing the exact same job. Why are two pilots doing the exact same job making different amounts of money? If all airlines did this, we would be able to start at the bottom of another carrier thus putting more pressure on management. It would give us less fear of our company going out of business. Seniority would let you bid up to bigger equipment to make more money. Of course the entire pay scale would need an inflation based raise every year. I've brought this up to a few line pilots. Everyone I've told tells me it's a horrible idea. We should be rewarded for time with a company. I agree with that, but the reward should be everything we currently get with seniority.

johnso29

A special MEC meeting is not needed to keep the current NC intact. Why fix something that isn't broke? I don't see a need. Do you?

slowplay

My opinion isn't material to the mechanics of the discussion, as it's the MEC's decision. I have never provided my opinion to any member of the MEC, including my elected Rep. It's their call. The NC and MEC Administration work for them. As I suggested before, if you have an opinion you should voice it to your Rep.

One question, however...if I made the same argument to you regarding the upcoming elections of the Pilot Director, LEC Reps or MEC Administration, would it ring a bit hollow? All the things you said were accomplished by the NC were accomplished with all those other folks in office as well.

NuGuy

Translation: "I like the direction of the steamroller, so I don't need to say anything to my rep. You can call your rep to try to change things, but I'm secure enough that it won't be stopped to tell you to try anyway, cause it won't change the outcome."

LEC reps are NOT elected by the same shrouded process.

Nu

johnso29

I have voiced my opinion to my Rep, & I will continue to do so. As to your 2nd question, I have been pleased with whom has filled the current positions you mentioned, so it wouldn't pain me to see them for another term. I'm confident with the current team that is in place, & that is one of the reasons I'd rather not see the NC changed so close to Sec 6.

I appreciate your input in this conversation.

slowplay

Your translation is only accurate in your comic book world, Nu. I prefer to speak for myself, thanks.

I really don't care what the MEC does on this one. All I want is a process followed (election, amended policy, continuance, etc.) that is transparent and explainable to the membership. Is that different from your point of view?

You still never cleared up your obfuscation...why the angst should a normally scheduled election be conducted? Can you answer the same question I asked Johnso?

hockeypilot44

I want to bump my own post. While I'm at it, why can't ALPA should set minimum hourly rates that no airline can negotiate under.

poostain

Talked to my rep. He thinks this meeting could get ugly depending on the reasoning the vote for neg committee members was called for. He and 13 other reps thinks the timing is bad, especially because dalpa asked for early openers. In his view that means we are too close to section six if not already there. Thus the special meeting so as to give the leaders direction, instead of a conference call vote.

slowplay

An election for the negotiating committee has not been called. The policy manual sets a "normal" timeline. The MEC gets to decide if this is "normal."

NuGuy

I only have an imagination that is kept fertile by the constant rain of bovine poo from above.

It's all about context. It's about what isn't being said...which in UnionSpeak(tm) is consistently more important than what is.

As a reader of the HCS, I am sure you are well aware of that.

In this case, a perfectly routine election, called for by the Policy Manual, could be simply conducted by teleconference.

The fact that the majority of the LEC members have decided that this needs to be in person tells everyone that the poo is raining in ATL.

Speaking of Poo....I was not aware that the company has asked for early openers. Interesting...cue Bar for his interpretation.

Nu