Originally Posted by johnso29

$2 billion?!? Wow! Talk about management EPIC FAIL.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

I absolutely agree that outsourcing was one of the major factors contributing to DAL's bankruptcy, but perhaps not for the financial reason you mention. I suspect it likely saved DAL dollars, by paying employees, contractors, and everyone else involved peanuts.

But as my Daddy always said, "you get what you pay for".

When DAL started (and continues to this day) to label and sell the inferior product that every small jet operator provides as a DAL product, they cashed in on the DAL reputation that took a generation to build. That method worked..... until it didn't.

And now, the reverse is true. Delta has a horrible reputation among the flying public. Customer complaints are rampant. On a personal note, the vast majority of complaints I hear from friends, neighbors, or even strangers, when they complain about their last trip on "Delta", I come to find out they never actually flew on Delta. If we don't fix THAT problem, and I see no indication management has any intentions of it, you and I are liable to wind up back in BK.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.


Factors which make this appear plausible:

• ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
• Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
• United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
• Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
• Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
• Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining

Originally Posted by LeineLodge

What determines whether a contract change must be put out for MEMRAT? Is it possible that this could be LOA'd into effect (not that I think any rep I've heard speak is dumb enough to do that) or would a large item such as this need to be voted on by the pilot group?

Originally Posted by johnso29

Why do they need to be rescued? They seem to be doing fine to me.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Bucking, I've been mostly agreeing with you lately. But no way this MEC will permit the 100 seater to go to the regionals. That would make ME send in a DPA card.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:

• ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
• Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
• United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
• Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
• Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
• Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Who knows what the intentions are but:

The policy manual states the negotiation committee generally will have an election every two years. Not that it has too. From the reports I am getting the Negotiation Committee has really started working as one, are listening to the reps and what they want, and appear to be the group we want going forward. There is a special MEC meeting next Tuesday to discuss this issue exclusively. As I understand it, the meeting was called by the Reps, not the Admin.

Reality is that, this is a good team, we do not need to insert anyone in to it. Many of the reps do not want to call the election. I would suggest calling, your reps and seeing where they stand. From what I do gather, many can assume where a specific rep stands based on their past positions.

Also I understand that this will be a recorded vote so everyone will know where each rep stands on this.

On the scope sale rumor. Nothing specific or non specific out of the MEC. That said this 25% pay raise rumor seems to be out there a lot. May be a leak from somewhere to see where our collective heads are, and if the support is there the 190 may be in play too.

Also hearing that RJET is trying to sell F9 to Pinnacle. We then would get the 320's in exchange for 190 type flying. This rumor is just that, but it seems to be coming from any directions.

Suffice to say, the Reps need to support their pilots' wishes not those of anyone else.

Originally Posted by slowplay

YGTBSM....

Sarcasm follows

I'm hearing RUMORS that the small jet defense coalition wants to "unify" their small jet buds by providing them seniority numbers on the Delta list without protecting the flying their buds currently do. They want this because the small jet numbers are shrinking and their buds are scared that the small jet business model is failing. The rapid consolidation in that segment of the industry has them believing that the outsourced gravy train is over. They're calling for a change in negotiating committee and facilitating a 400 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

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You're better than this tripe, Bar.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

I guess I needed a smiley face there. It's a joke. Seal Team 6 would not get involved in union business and the MEC does not kill people. I hope that clears it up.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

My guess is that the current committee called Seal Team 6 to rescue them from the bunker, now the MEC needs to bring them in, dead or alive.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

I guess I needed a smiley face there. It's a joke. Seal Team 6 would not get involved in union business and the MEC does not kill people. I hope that clears it up.

Originally Posted by johnso29

My goodness, I didnt take it literally. I figured it was more code then anything. And while it may have never been their intent, our union has most certainly destroyed people's lives. If they fail to bring a TA to the table the protects our jobs, that trend will continue.