Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-08-2011, 09:29 AM
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** Off topic (looking for help) **
Fellas,
My back is killing me. I don't know if it's from 1.) crappy seats on the DC-9; 2.) dragging my rollerboard through the airport for the last 16 years; 3.) old age; or 4.) all of the above.
Either way, with the DC-9's going away, I wonder what the seats are like on the other airplanes. How do they stand up?
I think I'm at the point where I have to bid an airplane, not for pay, or trips, but for my back.
Anyone else having these types of "old age" problems? Any suggestions?
Fellas,
My back is killing me. I don't know if it's from 1.) crappy seats on the DC-9; 2.) dragging my rollerboard through the airport for the last 16 years; 3.) old age; or 4.) all of the above.
Either way, with the DC-9's going away, I wonder what the seats are like on the other airplanes. How do they stand up?
I think I'm at the point where I have to bid an airplane, not for pay, or trips, but for my back.
Anyone else having these types of "old age" problems? Any suggestions?
Cheers
George
07-08-2011, 09:29 AM
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Perhaps even more important a union that was able to work with the company beat off a hostile takeover that everyone else including wallstreet thought was a shoe in.
Lee Moak widely hated here did simply amazing work in convincing the creditors committee to forgo a offer that would have put a lot of cash in their pockets asap and wait for a recovering Delta to pay them back. The vote by the committee to stay with Delta was a shock to everyone especially Parker. He was sure the deal was done.
Lee Moak widely hated here did simply amazing work in convincing the creditors committee to forgo a offer that would have put a lot of cash in their pockets asap and wait for a recovering Delta to pay them back. The vote by the committee to stay with Delta was a shock to everyone especially Parker. He was sure the deal was done.
I may not have been at Delta at that point, and therefore not worthy or allowed to speak, but what I saw being in Atlanta at the time was a lot of front line folks taking up that same self preservation cause and making it known the work force was hostile to the idea. See I knew that, from the outside.
07-08-2011, 09:34 AM
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The policy manual says that normally you will have a negotiating committee election 6 months prior to Section 6. The MEC has to either have an election or pass a resolution waiving that part of the policy manual. They have to do one or the other. So put the conspiracy theories away, the MEC has to act one way or another and I guess they will figure out how they want to proceed. Different people will have different ideas, that's democracy. In the end, they will work out a solution. Tin Foil Hats - Stow.
21. Negotiating Committee
a. A Negotiating Committee, consisting of a minimum of three members,
including the chairman, will be elected by the MEC in accordance with
Section 5 of this Policy Manual.
b. MEC committee chairmen will act in an advisory capacity to the
committee, as requested by the MEC chairman or the Negotiating
Committee chairman, to assist in their respective areas of jurisdiction and
responsibility.
c. A member of the Negotiating Committee is strongly discouraged from
holding another elected ALPA office.
d. The Negotiating Committee will normally serve for a period:
1) Commencing six months before the Opening Letter may be
presented by either party to commence Section 6 negotiations
under the Railway Labor Act, in which case the committee will
serve for a period not to exceed six months after the signing of the
new Section 6 Agreement (or its equivalent), or
2) Commencing no later than six months after the signing of an
Agreement in Section 6 negotiations (or its equivalent), and for a
term not to exceed two years.
e. Within the constraints of d.1) and 2) above and in order to provide for an
orderly transition, the MEC chairman may choose to schedule the election
of a new committee within the 90-day period (or at the regularly scheduled
MEC meeting immediately prior to the 90-day period) prior to the
expiration of the term of the incumbent committee. The newly elected
committee will take office at the expiration of the incumbent committee’s
term.
You can also admit that the Reps called this meeting to discuss this and talk a recorded vote. Many of the reps feel no need for this election.
If they do choose as a group to have this, will you run?
07-08-2011, 09:34 AM
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I'd say Pinnacle could fly the E190s, as long as DL mainline pilots on our seniority list fly them, exclusively. They can have Pinnacle flight attendants, mechanics, whatever, but mainline pilots on our list with mainline pay and benefits. Other than that, a big NO.
07-08-2011, 09:36 AM
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Call ti my opinion if you wish, but most people tell the pilots they can have one or the other.
I do agree though more pay and tighter scope are both essential. In fact, they go hand in hand.
I know DAL's fleet plan, and the reality is that the 90 purchase is a Band Aid. DAL should have been refleeting all along. CH11 aside, we should be constantly be buying new and old metal. Two 777's and Two 73N's last year does not cut it. Look at UCAL, we are quickly squandering our advantage we gave the company with our quick and concise merger. We need to buy jets that compete on the world market. 32 777/744's are not enough to compete with the UCAL airline.
Wrt to narrowbody replacement. Even buying more 320's or 73N's four years ago would have made a ton of sense. Last ones in last ones out in the fleet renewal plan. We are now running in to a of jets that need to be replaced over the next 15 years.
I do agree though more pay and tighter scope are both essential. In fact, they go hand in hand.
I know DAL's fleet plan, and the reality is that the 90 purchase is a Band Aid. DAL should have been refleeting all along. CH11 aside, we should be constantly be buying new and old metal. Two 777's and Two 73N's last year does not cut it. Look at UCAL, we are quickly squandering our advantage we gave the company with our quick and concise merger. We need to buy jets that compete on the world market. 32 777/744's are not enough to compete with the UCAL airline.
Wrt to narrowbody replacement. Even buying more 320's or 73N's four years ago would have made a ton of sense. Last ones in last ones out in the fleet renewal plan. We are now running in to a of jets that need to be replaced over the next 15 years.
I'm beginning to worry a lot about the way we are being managed. Perhaps its for a dark cloud picture for negotiations, or who knows...
But, the proactive and aggressive management team that I saw with the merger and the international expansion is now doing the exact opposite... just sitting there with their fingers up their noses and pulling out of cities. We just pulled down ATL-TLV for the winter recently.... really??? You cannot and will never shrink intro profitability. This combined with the continued massive level of outsourcing (and the only new jets going to outsourced companies) and I think it may be time for some management renewal as well.
07-08-2011, 09:38 AM
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I'd say Pinnacle could fly the E190s, as long as DL mainline pilots on our seniority list fly them, exclusively. They can have Pinnacle flight attendants, mechanics, whatever, but mainline pilots on our list with mainline pay and benefits. Other than that, a big NO.
We do not care who owns, finances or leases the jet. We will be the pilots flying them. Period. It cannot get simpler than that for a union to understand. It is about pilots jobs. Jobs above you provide advancement and jobs below you provide security.
07-08-2011, 09:39 AM
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The policy manual says that normally you will have a negotiating committee election 6 months prior to Section 6. The MEC has to either have an election or pass a resolution waiving that part of the policy manual. They have to do one or the other. So put the conspiracy theories away, the MEC has to act one way or another and I guess they will figure out how they want to proceed. Different people will have different ideas, that's democracy. In the end, they will work out a solution. Tin Foil Hats - Stow.
However, it is difficult to trust the South Reps after the Compass vote and in similar fashion, this sure appears aligned along pre-merger lines.
Will you discuss the notion of Delta pilots performing Delta flying off certificate if Delta needs to outsource the capex? Is this do'able? How do we build a contract so that it encourages Delta to grow organically with our own pilots?
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07-08-2011, 09:40 AM
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I'm beginning to worry a lot about the way we are being managed. Perhaps its for a dark cloud picture for negotiations, or who knows...
But, the proactive and aggressive management team that I saw with the merger and the international expansion is now doing the exact opposite... just sitting there with their fingers up their noses and pulling out of cities. We just pulled down ATL-TLV for the winter recently.... really??? You cannot and will never shrink intro profitability. This combined with the continued massive level of outsourcing (and the only new jets going to outsourced companies) and I think it may be time for some management renewal as well.
But, the proactive and aggressive management team that I saw with the merger and the international expansion is now doing the exact opposite... just sitting there with their fingers up their noses and pulling out of cities. We just pulled down ATL-TLV for the winter recently.... really??? You cannot and will never shrink intro profitability. This combined with the continued massive level of outsourcing (and the only new jets going to outsourced companies) and I think it may be time for some management renewal as well.
For anyone that flies in to CDG it becomes quickly apparent that they fly the big metal and we fly more block of smaller metal.
07-08-2011, 09:42 AM
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If trying to swap a trip over the same exact days for more flight time, is it true that it won't work if one of the reserve days is capped (even thought it's for more value or the same days)?
07-08-2011, 09:46 AM
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Don't forget the tray table!
Our Bus fleet has two types of pilot seats. The older 320's have an older, manual seat and it seems the lumbar supports aren't as good as the newer 320's and most/all of the 319's with the nice electric seats and lumbars that work. On the older seats I would actually have them completely collapse rolling down the runway when we applied takeoff power and started accelerating - and that's not because the Bus was a rocket, the old seats just weren't as sturdy as the newer ones.
Happy to be talking about something other than scope sales, contracts, and the other usual BS for at least one post.
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