One thing that appears to be a positive sign was that as Moak moved to national, economic analysis was done, although the numbers (to my knowledge) have not been released to our Reps yet.

Regardless of the data, I believe a union should fight for unity. It is likely the data supports a reversal in our scope strategy.

This is important now more then ever IMO. The product has to be brought back in house. It is suffering right now, & that's not a reflection of the pilots but rather the fact one product is being put together by multiple companies that don't communicate well at all.

07-08-2011, 08:10 AM

#70132

TenYearsGone

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Last edited by TenYearsGone; 07-08-2011 at 08:32 AM.

07-08-2011, 08:17 AM

#70133

forgot to bid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Great post all and complete agreement on Lee Moak's successes.

As for pilots who were "not even here," we were here, just at a different division.

A different division? Or a replacement division as all of the 732s were shelved?

07-08-2011, 08:25 AM

#70134

Bucking Bar

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Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:

ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining

07-08-2011, 08:27 AM

#70135

johnso29

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So I just arrive in DTW for my rotation, & scheduling calls to inform me that they cancelled my 1st leg due to delays in JFK for WX resulting in my 4 day becoming a 3 day. This call came around 3 hours before report. This was a 4 day that I swapped with the pot.

If I'm reading Sec 4.4 correctly, I should be paid for the original value of the rotation. Correct? My time card shows the reroute credit, which is around 5 hours LESS pay. Will it just take time to correct? Thanks for the help.

07-08-2011, 08:32 AM

#70136

acl65pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

As a line holder you will be paid for the original rotation value.

07-08-2011, 08:33 AM

#70137

TenYearsGone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:

ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining

I wonder what is going on behind the scenes with Republic/Frontier Airlines and Pinnacle.

Sean Menke (Ex Frontier CEO) is the new CEO of Pinnacle. ""Edward “Ted” Christie will follow his former boss at Frontier Airlines to Memphis-based Pinnacle Airlines Corp.""

Another ex-Frontier exec joins Pinnacle | Denver Business Journal

I hope our Union is keeping a nice eye on this. The last thing I want to see is Republic Airbuses flying for Delta or Delta acquiring Frontier's assets. From what Im gathering, the Frontier pilots' seem to cave in on every management demand.

TEN

07-08-2011, 08:34 AM

#70138

Elvis90

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

In my experience, that's true for regular line holders. If you're on reserve, that's not the case. I've been rerouted numerous times, CAPT got full trip credit as a line holder, but I didn't; called the scheduling supervisor at the time & he confirmed it was due to reserve status. If you call scheduling (or crew tracking?) they should fix it.

07-08-2011, 08:36 AM

#70139

Pineapple Guy

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Posts: 1,462

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:

ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining

Bucking, I've been mostly agreeing with you lately. But no way this MEC will permit the 100 seater to go to the regionals. That would make ME send in a DPA card.