Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-07-2011, 05:27 PM
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Their influence and control over the apparatus is nearly total at the moment.
Like it or not, we're going into Contract 2012 under their stewardship.
I'm clearly a skeptic but I sincerely hope this whole new age approach to labor management relations works out because this first post-bankruptcy contract is going to define the careers of most of the seniority list.
07-07-2011, 05:34 PM
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The man does have a lot of loyal disciples. You gotta give him that.
Their influence and control over the apparatus is nearly total at the moment.
Like it or not, we're going into Contract 2012 under their stewardship.
I'm clearly a skeptic but I sincerely hope this whole new age approach to labor management relations works out because this first post-bankruptcy contract is going to define the careers of most of the seniority list.
Their influence and control over the apparatus is nearly total at the moment.
Like it or not, we're going into Contract 2012 under their stewardship.
I'm clearly a skeptic but I sincerely hope this whole new age approach to labor management relations works out because this first post-bankruptcy contract is going to define the careers of most of the seniority list.
RJ's are not good for Delta and they're not good for us and they're not good for DALPA. They're only good if you're running for President of ALPA.
See the kid flying the ASA jet and saying good bye to all of the passengers with a I LOVE SWA lanyard as one example.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 07-07-2011 at 07:10 PM. Reason: noticed I used there instead of they're, thank goodness when someone quotes your post you finally see all of its faults.
07-07-2011, 05:35 PM
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I'm not so sure, Carl. History says otherwise.
ALPA keeps giving away scope and selling it with enhanced furlough protection.
Remember Moak's grievance settlement that allowed the extra 76 seat jets?
That was a straight up deal to give the company another 26 large RJs in exchange for more no furlough language. It was just 2 years ago.
Here's the settlement, lest we forget:
• The Company will agree to the Association’s interpretation of Section 1 B. 40. d. and e. but (ALPA) provides a one-time exception to this interpretation allowing the Company to operate up to 153* 76-seat jets so long as the Company does not furlough any pilot on the integrated system seniority list as of February 9, 2009, the date the agreement was signed.
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• If the Company does furlough any pilot on the Integrated System Seniority List, then the Company will physically remove six passenger seats from the number of 76-seat jets (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) that exceeds the authorized number of 76-seat jets under the Association’s interpretation of Section 1 B. 40. d. and e.
The company knew there wasn't going to be any furloughs. So what's the bottom line? They got their 26 extra DCI jets and what did we get? Another no furlough clause.
ALPA keeps giving away scope and selling it with enhanced furlough protection.
Remember Moak's grievance settlement that allowed the extra 76 seat jets?
That was a straight up deal to give the company another 26 large RJs in exchange for more no furlough language. It was just 2 years ago.
Here's the settlement, lest we forget:
• The Company will agree to the Association’s interpretation of Section 1 B. 40. d. and e. but (ALPA) provides a one-time exception to this interpretation allowing the Company to operate up to 153* 76-seat jets so long as the Company does not furlough any pilot on the integrated system seniority list as of February 9, 2009, the date the agreement was signed.
...
• If the Company does furlough any pilot on the Integrated System Seniority List, then the Company will physically remove six passenger seats from the number of 76-seat jets (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) that exceeds the authorized number of 76-seat jets under the Association’s interpretation of Section 1 B. 40. d. and e.
The company knew there wasn't going to be any furloughs. So what's the bottom line? They got their 26 extra DCI jets and what did we get? Another no furlough clause.
The HUGE difference in your example is that the pilots didn't ratify this. The MEC just did it on their own with none of our input. That won't happen in a Section 6. The upper, middle and lower end of the seniority list will not approve scope sales anymore for the traditional reasons of fear, fear, and no furlough clause "protection" respectively.
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07-07-2011, 05:54 PM
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Just flew with a mid-seniority guy and we started about our upcoming contract. He stated that DALPA negotiated C2K and even though the company couldn't afford it, Leo signed it anyway, and basically bankrupt the company overnight. I wasn't at DL in 2000, so if anyone would chime in, i'd appreciate. But it seems to me there's more than a few of those that think that way. If that's the case, we're in big trouble.
Incredible. We've got to be better defenders of actual history, as opposed to parroting management talking points of why most airlines went bankrupt.
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07-07-2011, 06:01 PM
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DALPA knew how this would end up when they agreed to the scope language in the first place. Now they refuse to enforce that very language.
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07-07-2011, 06:04 PM
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07-07-2011, 06:05 PM
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07-07-2011, 06:19 PM
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Little did ANY of us know that 9-11 was just a few months away. Had 9-11 not happened, NWA would have matched or exceeded Delta pilots and everyone else would have patterned up. To recapture their previous profit margins, management would simply have had to raise the ticket prices the extra 7 or 8 dollars to cover the increased cost to the industry of pilot pay. Oh I forgot, an extra 7 or 8 dollars would make people stop flying...as the new baggage fees clearly prove.
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07-07-2011, 06:22 PM
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To form your own time line based on objective data points, look at when Mullin came in and formed his team including Michelle Burns. Obviously that team brought great reorganization and bankruptcy experience to the table and they were chosen despite a lack of any airline management experience. That tells us something. Those with airline management experience were passed over, like Hollis Harris, who then went on to do a good job running World.
Nobody knew 9-11 was going to happen and bankrupt the industry. Pilot pay had NOTHING to do with it.
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07-07-2011, 06:25 PM
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