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Do we have many guys regaling the pax with stories of their military heroics and resume? I've personally heard this a few times, and my brother-in-law just had the same experience on an -88 the other night from ATL-PNS.
Maybe I'll start doing my own version of this:
"Ladies and gentleman, you'll be relieved to know that I have accumulated many thousands of flight hours flying between such airports as SBN, AZO, MKE, etc. I have flown many light piston aircraft, hold type ratings in various Regional Jets, and am a Gold Seal CFII/MEI . . . . . . "
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No disrespect meant to our military pilots/vets. I just find the self-congratulating PA's a little nauseating.
Maybe I'll start doing my own version of this:
"Ladies and gentleman, you'll be relieved to know that I have accumulated many thousands of flight hours flying between such airports as SBN, AZO, MKE, etc. I have flown many light piston aircraft, hold type ratings in various Regional Jets, and am a Gold Seal CFII/MEI . . . . . . "
The only people who think pilots are cool are little kids and other pilots
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No disrespect meant to our military pilots/vets. I just find the self-congratulating PA's a little nauseating.
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I think it's one particular ATL based 88 A giving the resume PA and if I'm not mistaken doing it from the L1 door handset.
Now if ever asked my resume I will tell said Captain "I was a new commercial pilot unwilling to get a CFI, unwilling to get a regional job and suffering from a porn addiction when I got an idea. I created my own job called Buck In The Air where I flew happy couples to 6,000 feet in a Cessna 337 equipped with a bed. By lying about my resume I was able to go straight from that to Delta. Why do you ask?"
Now if ever asked my resume I will tell said Captain "I was a new commercial pilot unwilling to get a CFI, unwilling to get a regional job and suffering from a porn addiction when I got an idea. I created my own job called Buck In The Air where I flew happy couples to 6,000 feet in a Cessna 337 equipped with a bed. By lying about my resume I was able to go straight from that to Delta. Why do you ask?"
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He had a flier up in the original terminal there when I lived around there 3 years ago. I thought about asking him for a job to supplement my FO pay
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Were you the guy at Lunken with Flamingo Air?
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I almost wish I could put that on my resume. Yes ma'am I once was a "VERY DISCREET PILOT" for Flamingo Air
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People have been using this "Section 6 is about to begin" argument for over a year now. It's about 8 months away and was 20 months away when the DPA thread started. What constitutes "right around the corner"? When will there be a right time for you? After this next contract is signed, will you still view Section 6 as right around the corner?
Sadly, I don't think the DPA will quite have enough cards by this Section 6. If my prediction of an extremely weak opener from DALPA is correct, DPA will be a shoe-in but it will be too late to change a terribly weak outcome.
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Sadly, I don't think the DPA will quite have enough cards by this Section 6. If my prediction of an extremely weak opener from DALPA is correct, DPA will be a shoe-in but it will be too late to change a terribly weak outcome.
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Well there's your mistake. You're trying to use pay rates and are comparing apples and oranges. The average SWA Captain makes over $230k/year. Let's just use an even $230k for comparison. So what did an MD-88 Captain (the closest we have to the kind of flying SWA does) make in 2004 (C2K rates) prior to our pay cuts? Well, the rate was $237.37/hour. At 75 hours per month, that Captain made $213,633 for the year. Adjust that for inflation (source: Tom's Inflation Calculator) and you get $252,803.18 today. It would require no more than a 10% pay increase for SWA Captains to be making our C2K + inflation for the same type of flying. I wouldn't call that "a country mile", but I guess you can if you want to. ![EEK!](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/eek.gif)
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We had 50 Captains break 500,000 in 03 however a big slug of them were MD11 guys in PDX.
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How do DPAs vs DALPAs stances on scope compare?
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The average Delta pilot does not earn 75 hours a month. Especially back then before we lost many of the benies. Last number I saw was the average pilot ended up with around 1100 hours a year under the current contract.. I made 305,000 as a 73 Captain back then in 03 and did not work much extra. Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
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How come the DPA 3000 strong haven't run up a recall resolution at every single base and installed their own people in every LEC in order to force change?
Surely if you are "involved" enough to send in a card then you are willing to take an extra day out of your life to actually show up at a LEC meeting to make sure your platform will be implemented.
LEC meeting turnout is traditionally very weak, and if there are as many "fencers" out there as are claimed, I'm sure that you could eject the current leadership and give the pilots of delta the leadership of "DPA proponents"......
Surely if you are "involved" enough to send in a card then you are willing to take an extra day out of your life to actually show up at a LEC meeting to make sure your platform will be implemented.
LEC meeting turnout is traditionally very weak, and if there are as many "fencers" out there as are claimed, I'm sure that you could eject the current leadership and give the pilots of delta the leadership of "DPA proponents"......
This is a critical observation, and I recommend everyone read your post again.
EVERYONE I talk to says that we need an administration change, but when I explain the course of action required, and tell them it's much less onerous than voting in the DPA (AND we get to keep the money & infrastructure), I get a blank look.
1) Recall the LEC reps you don't like.
Put the recall resolution on the agenda for the LEC meeting. One every 3 months gives you plenty of time to marshal your resources. Assuming you are in the majority, and the resolution passes, it goes out to a vote. Again, assuming you are in the majority (at least of those who bother to vote), it's bye bye.
2) Vote in LEC reps you DO like.
3) Once you get the reps in place, recall the MEC officers. THIS can be done VERY quickly, and can be done with a special MEC meeting.
4) Replace them with MEC officers you do like.
5) Ferret out the people in the committee positions. THIS is where the real power base of DALPA is....never forget that. Why do you think the rep in NYC that got unelected wound up there? These are appointed positions and they DO NOT CHANGE when there is a leadership change. These are the people to present the data to the MEC when it's in session....
With the exception of ATL (in which I assume the politicos can marshal a healthy counter-insurgency...nobody likes getting forced out of office), with 3,000 pilots, you could own any LECs you wanted. Even if you assume that 2 out of 3 of those guys filled out a card "just to show'em" or find it easier than getting involved with a real effort to change or running for office, you can still target one or two reps that would shake things up pretty well.
Given the political situation, you don't need to get rid of every LEC rep. A few phone calls to reps that think like you do will provide a short list of LEC reps to target. Because of the post-merger base structure, you can now put together a voting block that would allow you to pretty much do what you want.
But all this requires a modicum of effort. You actually might have to show up at an LEC meeting, and gosh, you might also have to go online and vote once or twice.
Yet at that, it is MUCH easier than getting a new bargaining agent in place. Not only that, once you own the MEC, you pick up the phone, and you tell ALPA National what's what, or we're taking our 12,000 dues paying members across the road. Money talks....
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I'm a commuter on reserve at Delta. I have been for almost 4 years and not by choice. I'm on the smallest aircraft we fly. I NEVER MAKE MORE THAN 70 HOURS PER MONTH. In a few days, I will have sat 7 reserve days. I will have flown flown 2 1-days, a 4-day, and sat 2 short calls (1 of which I didn't get used) for a total of less than 22 hours credit. I was away from home all 7 days. Our contract sucks. I do this all for just over 80,000/year. I get paid 840 hours a year. There is nothing I can do to make more money other than spend my 12-13 days at home away from home and hope for a green slip or two per month. Then I would get to spend no time with my family. This job is great. We don't need any improvements to our contract (sarcasm). We're only one of the biggest airlines in the world even after outsourcing half of our domestic flying. It seems to me we can do better.
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