Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2011, 10:46 AM
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If SWA pays their pilots a high wage and is looking at further increases in 2012, even if small. If DAL or DALPA claims those wages that SWA can afford are unaffordable then one could ask how come DAL can't afford equal pay for equal work? SWA has figured out how to pay those rates thus far and is not talking cuts.
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07-04-2011, 11:02 AM
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We have had both types in the past. When I started we had a 5 hour DPA. In 1996 we went to a 4-6 hour Variable Minimum (VM) per duty period where the average for the trip still was 5 hours per duty period. We changed back to DPA in C2K because the resulting rotation construction (for the DAL network at that time) was deemed inferior.
I have no idea what the impact would be under our current network and rapidly adapting marketing schedules.
I have no idea what the impact would be under our current network and rapidly adapting marketing schedules.
I was asking about a hard minimum day like FedEx has vs a DPA or Variable minimum. I don't know what the impact would be either, I just suspect that it would force better packed rotations.
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07-04-2011, 12:05 PM
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I'm sure the scheduling committee and negotiators will be looking at those options if they're priorities in the contract survey. That said, I suspect that "better rotations" is in the eye of the beholder. Remember the complaints that hit this board when Bid Period 5 hit for fNWA Intl categories? The "better" trip rig changed a bunch of "favored" rotations for the worse in the opinion of those actually flying them. We had the same result with our more restrictive VM. With the number of "day of week" and seasonal cancellations we have in our network, a hard day might have some unforseen results. I'm all for looking at improvements, though. I really hate 10+30 3 day trips.
07-04-2011, 12:08 PM
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07-04-2011, 12:40 PM
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07-04-2011, 12:56 PM
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1260 trips is the average per pilot? Not likely since you really can't fly more then that without bumping up against FAR's. Under their system 1260 trips equates to 1090 hours. I do understand that some legs go under block and you can fly more but I simply don't think that its the average.
If we want a number to justify the biggest raises possible focusing on the SW contract would simply not be wise. A much better position to take would be revenue generation per pilot. At Delta we generate significantly more revenue per pilot then at SW. Those numbers are also easy to find.
Thems are the facts ace.
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07-04-2011, 12:57 PM
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07-04-2011, 12:59 PM
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07-04-2011, 01:12 PM
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Carl, Go back and read further in their welcome package. They state there that most lines are 17 days off which means 13 or 14 days working. The other number includes vacation. Not much different then the average Delta line although we have a wider variation. Unless of course you don't trust SWAPA's word.
Quit trying to deflect the issue. We're not talking about what someone else posted. We're talking about the welcome package to ValuTran pilots. It's accurate. Totally accurate. Every Delta pilot should be ashamed to do the job we do under the conditions we do them. Including you. When will you EVER stop making excuses for Delta management and our incredibly weak union.
One other point. SWA used to run a linear system. Very easy to build excellent rotations. As they morph into a hub and spoke system I am told they have seen a degradation in rotation quality. Still the fact they operate only one aircraft type gives them the ability to build much better overall trips then a airline operating just about every aircraft ever built.
Dude, you need a vacation. I would suggest Stockholm, but it appears you're already a resident.
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07-04-2011, 01:16 PM
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