Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2011, 06:49 AM
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This kind of propaganda reminds me of being a new hire at DAL when crew scheduling comes in and shows you how the one captain is successfully doing "Rolling Thunder". They spun it in such a way that I could expect that as the norm... as a new hire on reserve.
However, I have many good friends at SWA and they certainly make more than I do with more days off.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is that while their memo to the tranny guys looks like pure propaganda the fact still remains that my buddies at SWA still make more (way more on reserve) and enjoy more days off.
However, I have many good friends at SWA and they certainly make more than I do with more days off.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is that while their memo to the tranny guys looks like pure propaganda the fact still remains that my buddies at SWA still make more (way more on reserve) and enjoy more days off.
I also agree with much of what Alfa/Sailing et all are saying. I think many on here aren't willing to be a little more open minded. I guess it's hard when you've given, had taken, and been burned one too many times!
Good Luck to us all on a prosperous career.
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07-04-2011, 06:51 AM
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Well.......I guess those in the know blew me and my question off.
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Thanks DALPA dudes
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Thanks DALPA dudes
07-04-2011, 07:07 AM
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07-04-2011, 07:28 AM
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Only 8-10% pay raise? Seems a bit low - because we certainly have 3 day trips that pay 11-14 hours, while at SWA a 3 day trip would pay 16.89 hrs (19.5 TRP * 0.8666) of pay.
Also, just comparing 737 vs 737, Delta 12 yr Captain pays $174 while SWA pays $210 (that's not a TRP rate, that's been converted to $/hr). Maybe it's my math, but that alone requires a 21% raise, just to meet their current pay.
Yep, you're right, but take those numbers and reduce the pay, it's still plenty more per day than we're making.
Also, just comparing 737 vs 737, Delta 12 yr Captain pays $174 while SWA pays $210 (that's not a TRP rate, that's been converted to $/hr). Maybe it's my math, but that alone requires a 21% raise, just to meet their current pay.
Yep, you're right, but take those numbers and reduce the pay, it's still plenty more per day than we're making.
You are again cherry picking. We don't have 3 day trips of similar time away from base that pay that much less then SWA. Your talking 3 day trips with 2 duty periods leaving very late on day one and back very early on day 3. SWAPA has dog rotations also.
What you once again forget is that there are entire other sections of the contract besides compensation. The SWAPA contract allows SW to run a very lean operation. In 2009 where the were somewhat overstaffed they had 10.5 pilots per aircraft. Delta had over 14. Even looking at just domestic we were staffed at 12.5.
If we can get the entire SW contract I guess it would make you happy. The 2000 plus Delta pilots who get sent to the street wont however be real happy or the 1000 Captains who downgrade.
You can cherry pick anything and show a good result. I had 186 hours pay in Dec and worked 14 days. Thats a average of over 13 hours a day. That does not however make it the reality of a normal month for a Delta pilot.
07-04-2011, 07:44 AM
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Why do I always get uncommutable short call? I can get to base by 7:30 in the morning. Is it too much to ask for a 5:30 or later short call. My last 4 have now been 5am or 3am.
07-04-2011, 07:45 AM
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Bill,
There are some elections this fall. LAX and MSP are then ones that come to mind. You always have the right to recall, but that would take getting away from a keyboard though.
There are some elections this fall. LAX and MSP are then ones that come to mind. You always have the right to recall, but that would take getting away from a keyboard though.
07-04-2011, 08:01 AM
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07-04-2011, 08:07 AM
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If the opener is weak, I will get off my duff and pay for DPA advertising. I recently talked to one of the founders in FLA, and he said recruitment is good. It will get better if the opener is passive or weak. We need to stop being a bargain for the company, and get paid what we deserve. It's now up to DALPA to live up to our expectations, not someone else's.
07-04-2011, 08:39 AM
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We have had both types in the past. When I started we had a 5 hour DPA. In 1996 we went to a 4-6 hour Variable Minimum (VM) per duty period where the average for the trip still was 5 hours per duty period. We changed back to DPA in C2K because the resulting rotation construction (for the DAL network at that time) was deemed inferior.
I have no idea what the impact would be under our current network and rapidly adapting marketing schedules.
07-04-2011, 08:40 AM
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If the opener is weak, I will get off my duff and pay for DPA advertising. I recently talked to one of the founders in FLA, and he said recruitment is good. It will get better if the opener is passive or weak. We need to stop being a bargain for the company, and get paid what we deserve. It's now up to DALPA to live up to our expectations, not someone else's.
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