sailingfun

I have a lot of friends at SWA. Some of that was embellished just a bit. Like the averaging over 18 days off. The pilots making 230K a year are working 18 days a month. The average 18 days off is on the basic original lines and counts months with vacation. To earn 230 K you have to fly extra time. The same happens at Delta. We have had in the last year pilots break 50K in one month. There will be a number of pilots at Delta who break 300 K this year. I flew with 7ER copilot who made 200K last year. If I simply flew my basic line at Delta and counted in vacation and all the DH deviations I probably average working under 10 days a month unless I choose to pick up overtime.
I am ahead of my peers at SW in compensation this year and have worked less. I have however had some very lucky breaks with trip assignments and dropped trips. Its always nice to get triple pay.

hoserpilot

Anyone have any info about TOC tours? I want to take my 17 yr old nephew for a tour. Do you have to plan this in advance or can I just show up at the gate. I heard the engine shop is pretty cool. Do we need a mechanic to show us around or can we just wander and gawk. Pm me please and than you.

Hoser

Flamer

Ok.....well take note that DAL did not provide a "look how good you are going to have it" brochure to NWA pilots. That should tell you something right there.

Of course you have to look at days off on an annual basis....which counts vacation. And your SWA buddies will turn one week of their vacation into three weeks of yours. Swaptamizer. I'm telling you man.....their contract is good. We shouldn't have to count on random good deals and triple pay to get close to their median salary.

DAL 88 Driver

And you of course have proof of this, right?

The data in the SWAPA welcome document to the ValuTran pilots seems pretty straightforward to me. Read it again. I don't think you can explain it away that easily. And I highly doubt they have their facts wrong as I'm sure they have access to the actual data.

Where did your data come from? Anecdotal evidence from talking with a few of your friends? Sorry, but I think I'll go with the official numbers published by the folks who have access to the actual data... not a guy on an anonymous web board who constantly argues against any kind of restorative increases for our pilot group.

dragon

Agreed!

The official ALPA response to this seems to be "Wave your hands mysteriously and say - these are not the payrates you're looking for."

Carl Spackler

SWA will be completely brushed aside and lied about, along with many false comparisons. Bank on it. But it doesn't matter if we ALL remember the power of our NO vote.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Totally incorrect. 230K is AVERAGE for their Captains and 18 days off per month is AVERAGE.

This post is a classic example of how DALPA will attempt to spin us as higher paid than SWA pilots.

Carl

forgot to bid

Maybe that will be tried, but with AirTran here in ATL we'll all get to watch them get their pay raises.



Asked a buddy who is a 5th year or 6th year FO when they're getting their raises, he called that the $64,000 question.

Is it $64,000 pay raise?!

That's not going to go unnoticed anymore than those ugly blue and orange paint schemes.

Columbia

And there are RJ pilots making $150K/year. Purely outliers and isn't really germane as it doesn't apply to the vast majority. I also have many buds at SWA and they've all said the data is accurate and not embellished. Average really IS $230K for CAs and NOT while flying 18 days/month. Average 3 day credits 21 hours and average 4 days credit 28-29 vs. the min of 19.5/26. Reserves 15 days off and average line days off is 17-18, not 12-13 as you mentioned.
The best apples-to-apples is average days worked/off and average W-2. A small group of people making $300K or one FO making $200K is absolutely meaningless.

slowplay

followed by...

So a SWAPA publication to a group they are merging with is the "burning bush" and an ALPA publication needs to be "watched closely." Got it.

Nice double standard...