Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-30-2011, 07:57 AM
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[QUOTE=Superdad;1015848]I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.
The only thing I would consider a roughly 30% pay raise would be if the rates in pay were actually increased by 30%.
All that "total compensation" talk is something to talk about, but I don't want to see the pay get lost in translation.
DISLIKE.
The only thing I would consider a roughly 30% pay raise would be if the rates in pay were actually increased by 30%.
All that "total compensation" talk is something to talk about, but I don't want to see the pay get lost in translation.
DISLIKE.
06-30-2011, 08:12 AM
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The opener from the company I suspect will stun most pilots. I would expect something on the order of a 3 percent pay raise with 3 percent each year offset by work rule concessions to cover the cost of the raise. Visible pilot reaction to managements opener will help determine the final outcome of the contract.
but please please, no rat balloon.
06-30-2011, 08:24 AM
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According to SWA's welcome packet for the ValuTran pilots, the average SWA Captain makes over $230,000 per year. What would it take to increase a Delta MD-88/90 Captain's pay to $230,000?
The current 12 year MD-88 and MD-90 Captain rates average to $163.17/hour. Let's assume the flying is split 50/50 between the 88 and the 90 (that's probably a little generous). At 75 hours per month, our MD-88/90 Captain would make $146,853 for the year. At 80 hours per month, he would make $156,643.20 for the year.
To bring those numbers up to $230,000 would take the following percentage increases:
$146,853 + 57% = $230,000
$156,643.20 + 47% = $230,000
Sounds to me like we need quite a bit more than a 25-30% increase to get to "parity" with SWA.
Oh... and you mentioned C2K in another post. To get the current MD-88 Captain rate to the C2K MD-88 Captain rate, it would take a 47% increase. And that's not factoring in inflation. If you factor that in, it would take a 70% increase.
06-30-2011, 08:26 AM
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disregard this
06-30-2011, 08:26 AM
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Modification from the floor:
I'm all for working and getting paid for it. Those who don't want to commute for reserve could use the long call to their advantage too.
- 70 hour guarantee is fine
- Every period of short call generates same 5:15 credit as pilots flying a trip
- Allow pilots to bid for as much short call as they can stand
- Status Quo w/ regard to max days on (no morons working 26 days a month)
- Allow reserves to white slip
I'm all for working and getting paid for it. Those who don't want to commute for reserve could use the long call to their advantage too.
06-30-2011, 08:33 AM
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Delta to decide on jet by Year End
Reuters reporting Anderson's saying a decision will probably be out by year end and is possible by Thanksgiving.
If it is a split order, I expect some pumping of the mainline fleet number which will allow 3 to 1 large RJ's which Delta can use to bargain with their fee for departure providers.
How many to go before 255 is hit?
Delta will decide on plane order by year-end
NEW YORK | Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:07am EDT
(Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N) will make a decision on buying planes by the end of the year, its chief executive said on Thursday.
"We'll make a fleet decision by the end of the year on mid-body replacement," CEO Richard Anderson said, adding that the decision would likely come before the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday in late November.
He cited some weakness in the U.S. economy but said Delta's forward bookings look strong.
"We're seeing some softening in the economy ... the indicators aren't what you would like them to be," Anderson told reporters after the company's annual shareholder meeting. He said Europe's economy was where he sees the most weakness.
Delta, the No. 2 air carrier behind United Continental Holdings (UAL.N), said earlier this week it expects a "solidly profitable" second quarter as higher revenues have for the most part offset rising fuel costs.
The airline sent a request to several plane makers late last year for proposals to deliver up to 200 planes to replace aging models. Possible orders could include large, medium and small single-aisle planes to be used on U.S. routes, Delta said earlier this year.
The head of Brazilian plane maker Embraer's (EMBR3.SA) commercial aviation unit told Reuters last week at the Paris Air Show that he saw "good chances" of firm orders from Delta this year.
NEW YORK | Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:07am EDT
(Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N) will make a decision on buying planes by the end of the year, its chief executive said on Thursday.
"We'll make a fleet decision by the end of the year on mid-body replacement," CEO Richard Anderson said, adding that the decision would likely come before the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday in late November.
He cited some weakness in the U.S. economy but said Delta's forward bookings look strong.
"We're seeing some softening in the economy ... the indicators aren't what you would like them to be," Anderson told reporters after the company's annual shareholder meeting. He said Europe's economy was where he sees the most weakness.
Delta, the No. 2 air carrier behind United Continental Holdings (UAL.N), said earlier this week it expects a "solidly profitable" second quarter as higher revenues have for the most part offset rising fuel costs.
The airline sent a request to several plane makers late last year for proposals to deliver up to 200 planes to replace aging models. Possible orders could include large, medium and small single-aisle planes to be used on U.S. routes, Delta said earlier this year.
The head of Brazilian plane maker Embraer's (EMBR3.SA) commercial aviation unit told Reuters last week at the Paris Air Show that he saw "good chances" of firm orders from Delta this year.
The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of October 30, 2008. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on October 30, 2008 will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. may not exceed 255.
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06-30-2011, 08:33 AM
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+1 This is what we need to be aiming for. Not just the same old contract plus a moderate payrate increase. The whole thing needs to be adjusted back towards making Delta a top tier career. It could be argued that we're not even in the top 5.
Has anyone seen Expressjet's (yes I said Expressjet) contract/workrules? I know they're not a peer
but most of the scheduling rules are FAR superior to ours. If it weren't for our payrates, it wouldn't even be close.
I hope we widen the net considerably when we decide which other carriers contracts we consider to be peers.
Has anyone seen Expressjet's (yes I said Expressjet) contract/workrules? I know they're not a peer
but most of the scheduling rules are FAR superior to ours. If it weren't for our payrates, it wouldn't even be close. I hope we widen the net considerably when we decide which other carriers contracts we consider to be peers.
06-30-2011, 08:35 AM
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Talked to an Air Tran pilot that I know yesterday in the Atlanta airport. He seemed to know an exact date that they are being brought up to SWA pay rates. I don't remember the date, but it was in the near future.
I tend to agree with Carl on this...
I tend to agree with Carl on this...
06-30-2011, 08:53 AM
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Your defending a $7.00 difference. Instead you should be disgusted by this number. Who would've thought an Airtran pilot would be making "almost" as much as Carl. Epic fail.
Hoser
Don't worry Carl, I got it. The W2 is what matters and Swa/Airtran, when combined, will be higher. Even a simple Canadian can figure that out. (-:
Hoser
Don't worry Carl, I got it. The W2 is what matters and Swa/Airtran, when combined, will be higher. Even a simple Canadian can figure that out. (-:
Carl
06-30-2011, 09:00 AM
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You keep trying to manage everyone's expectations down...I'll keep on stating facts. You'll get that corner cubicle eventually.
Carl
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