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06-29-2011, 07:14 PM
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I don't find either this statement nor your attitude about it at all laughable. It is pathetic. SWA maybe????? After we supposedly restore our contract? YGTBFKM. IF we continue with this asinine seat/equipment pay, a SWA pilot better not be making half of what a 777 pilot is making. I used to find a modicum of sympathy and agreement with some of your posts, but this is so pathetic words escape me... you must be either a management stooge or a troll from SWA, because no DAL pilot would write anything like that. Go away please.
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06-29-2011, 07:16 PM
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Pay rates are great, but I think we should mostly be focusing on other ways to increase compensation, like bringing back significant night pay, big nums for international pay, and a huge (x4) increase in per diem. And pay from sign in to doors open. Larger minimum calendar day, not duty period. These are all ways to make significantly more cash, some tax advantaged, with lower increases to hourly rates. That way the company gets to tell the financial community that we only gave x when the reality is much more.
06-29-2011, 07:19 PM
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06-29-2011, 07:24 PM
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Pay rates are great, but I think we should mostly be focusing on other ways to increase compensation, like bringing back significant night pay, big nums for international pay, and a huge (x4) increase in per diem. And pay from doors closed to open. Larger minimum calendar day, not duty period. These are all ways to make significantly more cash, some tax advantaged, with lower increases to hourly rates. That way the company gets to tell the financial community that we only gave x when the reality is much more.
Raising per diem that much would not be a smart move. There is no real tax advantage once you reach the accepted deductions for transport workers for meal expenses. The IRS is quite wise to move pay into other areas to try and avoid taxes. You will be taxed on the excess per diem. What you wont get on that money is the 13 percent DC or the ability to contribute some of it to your 401k and fill your 415C limit. Some increase in per diem to the max allowed tax free would be good. That is probably not more then 50 cents an hour more then current. The rest should be in pay.
06-29-2011, 07:31 PM
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Compensation is Section 3.
Been that way for awhile.
06-29-2011, 07:33 PM
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Raising per diem that much would not be a smart move. There is no real tax advantage once you reach the accepted deductions for transport workers for meal expenses. The IRS is quite wise to move pay into other areas to try and avoid taxes. You will be taxed on the excess per diem. What you wont get on that money is the 13 percent DC or the ability to contribute some of it to your 401k and fill your 415C limit. Some increase in per diem to the max allowed tax free would be good. That is probably not more then 50 cents an hour more then current. The rest should be in pay.
The minimum acceptable in C12K: If its good enough for for the FAA, then its appropriate for us.
Per Diem Rates for domestic.
U.S. Department of State | Welcome to Office of Allowances for international.
06-29-2011, 07:36 PM
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Holy cow. It took me 17 seconds to look up the data on this very web site. It says $210 but I think the true rate is $212. Are you all such helpless little children you can't do research on your own? No wait, Slowplay didn't spoon feed me information so it must not exist, or he must be trying to fool me. Gaak, what can I do if I am not handed information on a silver platter? I guess I just have to sit in the corner and cry like a baby. GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06-29-2011, 07:40 PM
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must be a slow week at dalpa
06-29-2011, 07:44 PM
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Holy cow. It took me 17 seconds to look up the data on this very web site. It says $210 but I think the true rate is $212. Are you all such helpless little children you can't do research on your own? No wait, Slowplay didn't spoon feed me information so it must not exist, or he must be trying to fool me. Gaak, what can I do if I am not handed information on a silver platter? I guess I just have to sit in the corner and cry like a baby. GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06-29-2011, 07:45 PM
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If nothing changes in either contract and AirTran guys get
matched by 2013, every 12 yr captain at SWA will make less (per hour) than a 747 captain at DAL.
HOWEVER
The SWA Captains will make more (per hour)than all the DAL A330, 767-400, 767-300/200 captains.
I think it is fair to say that AirTran guys will be making more than DAL widebody Captains in 2013.
Straight hourly rates, not annual compensation:
DAL payrates eff 01/01/2011
SWA payrates eff 2011??
12yr DAL 747 Captain $217.07
12yr SWA 737 Captain $211.98
12yr DAL 330 Captain $205.04
12yr DAL 767 Captain $181.69
12yr DAL 737 Captain $175.13 (-900)
12yr DAL 737 Captain $174.23 (-800/700)
12yr DAL M88 Captain $161.23
More tidbits:
Reserve guarantee DAL 70 hours
Reserve guarantee SWA 79 hours
matched by 2013, every 12 yr captain at SWA will make less (per hour) than a 747 captain at DAL.
HOWEVER
The SWA Captains will make more (per hour)than all the DAL A330, 767-400, 767-300/200 captains.
I think it is fair to say that AirTran guys will be making more than DAL widebody Captains in 2013.
Straight hourly rates, not annual compensation:
DAL payrates eff 01/01/2011
SWA payrates eff 2011??
12yr DAL 747 Captain $217.07
12yr SWA 737 Captain $211.98
12yr DAL 330 Captain $205.04
12yr DAL 767 Captain $181.69
12yr DAL 737 Captain $175.13 (-900)
12yr DAL 737 Captain $174.23 (-800/700)
12yr DAL M88 Captain $161.23
More tidbits:
Reserve guarantee DAL 70 hours
Reserve guarantee SWA 79 hours
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