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06-28-2011, 04:48 AM
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Hey Carl, you'll appreciate this.
Pilot Quote of the Week,
"Some guys think that were going to see a 60% raise in one year, which just isn't realistic. I think a 15% pay raise over 4 years is what were looking at. Rather vote something in early then drag it out."
Actually heard this about a month ago, and just remembered it. I think it may have taken a month to actually take in and process.
Pilot Quote of the Week,
"Some guys think that were going to see a 60% raise in one year, which just isn't realistic. I think a 15% pay raise over 4 years is what were looking at. Rather vote something in early then drag it out."
Actually heard this about a month ago, and just remembered it. I think it may have taken a month to actually take in and process.
I hope that this viewpoint is the minority here at Delta.
06-28-2011, 04:59 AM
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06-28-2011, 05:02 AM
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Hey Carl, you'll appreciate this.
Pilot Quote of the Week,
"Some guys think that were going to see a 60% raise in one year, which just isn't realistic. I think a 15% pay raise over 4 years is what were looking at. Rather vote something in early then drag it out."
Actually heard this about a month ago, and just remembered it. I think it may have taken a month to actually take in and process.
Pilot Quote of the Week,
"Some guys think that were going to see a 60% raise in one year, which just isn't realistic. I think a 15% pay raise over 4 years is what were looking at. Rather vote something in early then drag it out."
Actually heard this about a month ago, and just remembered it. I think it may have taken a month to actually take in and process.
06-28-2011, 05:03 AM
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Hey Carl, you'll appreciate this.
Pilot Quote of the Week,
"Some guys think that were going to see a 60% raise in one year, which just isn't realistic. I think a 15% pay raise over 4 years is what were looking at. Rather vote something in early then drag it out."
Actually heard this about a month ago, and just remembered it. I think it may have taken a month to actually take in and process.
Pilot Quote of the Week,
"Some guys think that were going to see a 60% raise in one year, which just isn't realistic. I think a 15% pay raise over 4 years is what were looking at. Rather vote something in early then drag it out."
Actually heard this about a month ago, and just remembered it. I think it may have taken a month to actually take in and process.
He must have meant that he is expecting full restoration of our wages to C2K + cola on the date of signing and then 15% over 4 years.
06-28-2011, 05:05 AM
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06-28-2011, 05:06 AM
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06-28-2011, 05:07 AM
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I stopped asking questions after that statement.
06-28-2011, 05:19 AM
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06-28-2011, 05:25 AM
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Well, can you blame him if he meant 15% over the life of the contract?
All he probably ever hears is what are you willing to give up to get 20%?
So he settled on 15% and probably 2% yoy. He's beaten down and his expectations have been tarnished thanks to ALPA national who is practically demanding for him to give up good jobs to their lowest paid members of the union in exchange for nearly nothing.
Not to mention that Richard Trumka has volunteered us all to help Van Jones' new anti-tea party party. ? We'll save that for another day.
BTW, a 15% increase yoy will in the end (not taking into account the time value of money which if we're dealing with the dollar it's anyones guess what it'll be worth) but 15% yoy vs 60% upfront and cola after that is a wash.
The 15% YOY would increase cost $450M/year on average (according to airlinefinancials.com) beginning with a $350M increase and ending with a $500M+ yearly increase.
The 60% up front would give us $1.4B initially and then there would a $70M-ish raise per year.
Sure we'd like it up front but I also don't want the sum of money becoming a C2000 style target to be retrieved in less than half a decade and any concessions made to get that pay not returned.
I'm open to 15% YOY.
06-28-2011, 05:32 AM
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Well, can you blame him if he meant 15% over the life of the contract?
All he probably ever hears is what are you willing to give up to get 20%? So he settled on 15%. He's beaten down and his expectations have been tarnished thanks to ALPA national who is practically begging for him to give up jobs to their lowest paid members in exchange for nearly nothing.
BTW, a 15% increase yoy will in the end (not taking into account the time value of money which if we're dealing with the dollar it's anyones guess what it'll be worth) but 15% yoy vs 60% upfront and cola after that is a wash.
The 15% YOY would increase cost $450M/year on average (according to airlinefinancials.com) beginning with a $350M increase and ending with a $500M+ yearly increase.
The 60% up front would give us $1.4B initially and then there would a $70M-ish raise per year.
Sure we'd like it up front but I also don't want the sum of money becoming a C2000 style target to be retrieved in less than half a decade and any concessions made to get that pay not returned.
I'm open to 15% YOY.
Tried clarifying it with him, and this is fact what he meant.
I actually don't like talking about what we should be negotiating for in the next contract on these boards because management types could use it as a reference, but I don't see a 5% raise every year being taken as anything less than a joke. (All other contract variables being equal)
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