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Below v1 ... I'll stick my neck out and say, ABORT!
If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.
What's the book answer?
If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.
What's the book answer?
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Still have a place off of 30A. Been in Walton County since the beach was just sand dunes and seaoats. You're right, 30a is a long way from the Redneck Riviera.
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I was surprised at this one myself. A "Cancel Takeoff Clearance" statement from ATC simply means that they've lost separation per their requirements. It is NOT a command to abort the takeoff. At a recent meeting with an ATC supervisory team, they said aborting the takeoff is up to the crew, we just have to advise them when separation has been lost and cancel their clearance. I was appalled, but that's what they said.
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Below v1 ... I'll stick my neck out and say, ABORT! What justification is there to use emergency authority to continue?
Controllers only cancel a takeoff clearance when there is an immediate threat to safety.
If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.
Controllers only cancel a takeoff clearance when there is an immediate threat to safety.
If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.
Again, I was stunned when I heard this. I'll bet that most pilots were like me and thought it meant they were saying you must abort the takeoff. But when I thought more about what they said, they're right. ATC could never take on the liability of telling a crew to abort their takeoff.
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How long does it take for the training dates to be posted usually? Going into my third training event in a year, but at least I get a paid move out of it! And with that said since I'll probably be displaced again in the fall, will the company still pay for my displacement move from this bid even if I'm displaced into a new base for the next AE?
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Methinks that if you are correct (And I have no reason to doubt you) that ALPA should be lobbying for different terminology. You know the Safety for All thing... Back in the 60s and 70s when the runways weren't littered with airplanes, it was no big deal, and probably was a rare occurrence.. now however....
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Totally agree T. But what language should ATC use? Do we want to give them the ability to call ABORT, ABORT!? When separation has been lost after the initial clearance has been given, they are obliged to advise us of the event. What should the new language be??
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I was surprised at this one myself. A "Cancel Takeoff Clearance" statement from ATC simply means that they've lost separation per their requirements. It is NOT a command to abort the takeoff. At a recent meeting with an ATC supervisory team, they said aborting the takeoff is up to the crew, we just have to advise them when separation has been lost and cancel their clearance. I was appalled, but that's what they said.
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Compliance with any clearance is up to crew discretion. But we'd better either be under emergency authority or have a very good reason why continuing was the safest course of action.
The criteria for cancelling a takeoff clearance is an immediate safety threat. A "loss of separation" can mean a runway incursion, especially at the circus that is Kennedy during the late afternoon push. Controllers are NOT allowed to cancel a clearance for flow, or traffic management.
In the real world, I've never had a controller cancel a takeoff clearance. There has been a couple of times they probably should have cancelled a landing clearance and a couple of times they cancelled a landing clearance with traffic directly in the missed approach path.
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Good question. I would think that "loss of separation" could be simply stated as such. IF it is not an imminent threat, they should calmly state it. As long as the terminology is commonly known, all parties should be able to make a decision based on that. Now it sounds very gray....
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