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Old 06-20-2011, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well I already deleted it, otherwise I'd put it back up.

And good job on the AE. I'd love it if you actually could!
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
That is so selfish and insulting to the rest of the pilot group (what the LCA said). How do people forget how they started out? That really upset me to read, I'm glad you said something about it
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.

Did you ask him how much money he lost in the lawsuit to take the junior NWA pilots DC fund?
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
What a moron! He takes a 40% pay-cut along with loss of pension and, indicates he'll settle the upcoming contract for 25% raise, AND does not mind a sellout of the junior guys in the process. In the end, he's still down well over 20% from where his wages were pre-bankruptcy, NOT including inflation OR loss of pension! Where DO guys like this come from? What ever happened to "leaving the profession BETTER than when you arrived??? Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in?
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That really burns me up too. In addition to being a financial moron, the guy obviously has little respect for this profession.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Still learning--what is your retirement? Just 401K? Who's it through?
We have a 401k and another defined contribution plan... both through Fidelity. We also have a brokerage link through both of those plans that allows us to invest in any mutual fund, individual stocks, and options.

The Delta "south" guys have a PBGC benefit from the termination of the pension. It's a very small fraction of what the pension was supposed to have been. Plus, from what I understand, the PBGC is insolvent. Personally, I'm not counting on anything from that.

The Delta "north" guys have frozen pensions. From what I understand, most were frozen at pretty low benefit levels. But there are a few really senior guys that will get all or most of their pension.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:42 PM
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Boeing Signs Orders and Commitments for 17 747-8 Intercontinentals

Boeing today during the Paris Air Show announced orders and commitments for 17 of its 747-8 Intercontinental airplanes. The orders, placed by two undisclosed customers, are valued at a combined $5.4 billion at list prices. One customer has committed to 15 of the new passenger version of the 747-8 while the other placed an order for two.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:44 PM
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Did you ask him how much money he lost in the lawsuit to take the junior NWA pilots DC fund?
There may be some like that, but there are also plenty of captains who are fed up with RJs, commute on them now, and think they get in the way with airspace and careers. They are not the majority. Every FO would vote no on any additional RJs, and maybe half of the captains. If that was the case, then additional RJs are a no go.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
What a moron! He takes a 40% pay-cut along with loss of pension and, indicates he'll settle the upcoming contract for 25% raise, AND does not mind a sellout of the junior guys in the process. In the end, he's still down well over 20% from where his wages were pre-bankruptcy, NOT including inflation OR loss of pension! Where DO guys like this come from? What ever happened to "leaving the profession BETTER than when you arrived??? Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in?
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Fortunately I think the MEC is way smarter than these guys regardless of what percentage voice this opinion, which I believe to be small. Selling out 100 seaters would destroy ALPA far quicker than DPA could ever hope to
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:44 PM
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And they say this next generation is a worthless bunch of kids who feel entitled to everything they want. Meanwhile I watch my in-laws deal with members of the greatest generation who are so demanding and have no problem with pushing kids over a cliff for a social security check.

Truth is, it's not a generation thing that's the problem, it's a gene pool problem.

And too often we bury the best of the gene pool at Arlington and are stuck with pilots who thought it was their right to never save a dime and buy multiple homes, boats, planes and cars. And then unsurprisingly the pension disappears and so they're willing to throw everyone under a bus for a pay raise most feel is inadequate even if we tightened scope.... ?

The man is a douche bag and if I was a drinker I'd like to propose a toast to all of the senior guys here who bother and actually enjoy interacting hanging with those of us on the bottom. They don't pull up the ladder but instead stand up for everyone on the list especially where it matters most - employment.

Thanks, you guys rock.

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Old 06-20-2011, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
There may be some like that, but there are also plenty of captains who are fed up with RJs, commute on them now, and think they get in the way with airspace and careers. They are not the majority. Every FO would vote no on any additional RJs, and maybe half of the captains. If that was the case, then additional RJs are a no go.
I seriously doubt:

a) the MEC would ever even allow or direct that as a negotiating position, and,

b) would never approve as a TA to send out to MEMRAT.
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