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Old 06-20-2011, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Whidbey
That article didn't say anything about the jets going to regional carriers. Rather, the author (and Embraer) repeatedly refer to them as "regional" jets, to be purchased by Delta.

Isn't the E-190 / E-195 the aircraft being considered by Delta right now as a result of the RFP?

I just didn't read anything in that article that would indicate those aircraft were intended for other than mainline flying.

My thinking that the article was BS had nothing to do with the thought that they were to be purchased for regionals. DAL has always been very close hold on aircraft purchases. Having some Brazilian guy spouting off in the news about a future DAL aircraft order with no money changing hands is what makes me think it is BS.

We have a payrate for that jet in the contract. It is pretty low. But I say bring em on and we will work on raising the rate later. In fact I dont think raising that rate would be too tough since JBlu flies them at a much higher payrate than ours.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I personally can't stand DGS instructors. I recently went through 320 initial and the best part about it was the FO instructors and lack of DGS guys. Go through MD88 initial and you'll see just how out of touch those guys are... with reality and the airplane.

With all that said they are cheap labor and not going away anytime soon.
Well the 88 has always been an "out-of-touch" kind of airplane, so it's only fitting.

You still living on the 3rd floor in the training center and cleaning your clothes in the men's room?
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
He is being honest. It is about them and their ability to get the maximum amount of money before they shove off. Makes sense, even if we do not like it.

That said, only 10% of this group would see it that way.
Probably true, but what does that have to do with anything. Even IF DALPA agrees and we hold the line on Scope, will DALPA defend it? That's the question.

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Old 06-20-2011, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
A bid this size could be posted as early as Wed/Thur, but they could wait until July 1st too. It is really up to them.
Im guessing it will be out by tomorrow evening. The Jan AE closed at noon on the 28th and results were processed by 2100 on the 29th (per the time stamp on the published bid results) - and posted by the following morning. That has seemed to be about typical for most of the AE's over the last few years. They seem to have the results out pretty darn quick. And why not? They can always cancel awards later if they want too. But like you said, it's up to them.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
He's not the only one. I've heard that from at least two other A's I've flown with. Both emphasized that the destruction of the DB plan completely disassociated their futures with that of the company. They wanted to extract as much money as possible from them in the next 5-10 years and the company could liquidate after that.

ACL, hope you're right about the 10%...
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
He's not the only one. I've heard that from at least two other A's I've flown with. Both emphasized that the destruction of the DB plan completely disassociated their futures with that of the company. They wanted to extract as much money as possible from them in the next 5-10 years and the company could liquidate after that.
Walked through the Medal of Honor museum recently. The histories of the heroes honored were very interesting to read. When under fire not one of them blurted "dude ... I'm outta here, you're on your own."

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Old 06-20-2011, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwock
Walked through the Medal of Honor museum recently. The histories of the hero's honored were very interesting to read. When under fire not one of them blurted "dude ... I'm outta here, you're on your own."
Well said.

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Old 06-20-2011, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
He's not the only one. I've heard that from at least two other A's I've flown with. Both emphasized that the destruction of the DB plan completely disassociated their futures with that of the company. They wanted to extract as much money as possible from them in the next 5-10 years and the company could liquidate after that.

ACL, hope you're right about the 10%...
What a bunch of selfish whiners! When some Jack A says something like that I ask these guys where exactly they are parked at the employee parking lot and then just stare at them for the rest of the trip. But I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs so I have a high level of intimidation.
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
Give up scope or try not to regain what we had? There is a difference. Some people don't want to pay to go after the current 76 seaters out there, and I can understand that. But, if they want to give future 100 seaters to Comair or ASA, then that is different. I don't know many who would ever agree to that. Recapturing flying already lost would be very expensive, and that maybe is his point. I personally would never vote to allow any DCI carrier even one more 70 seater or larger.
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:14 PM
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Never mind

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