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Old 06-20-2011, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I heard exactly what you heard, Africa 1st then deep SA. I was hoping they would round it out to include all the MEDs including India. I realize its not a one hop to India.

Truth is, I'm interested in flying India again. That should demographically make me the only 1 out of 12500 pilots.

Speaking of India, I had read that DAL was modifying the depressurization routes to cruise at a higher altitude than 10K'. Has that happened? That should really simplify flying to India. I flew thru Afghanistan and Iran in the daytime 2 things struck me: 1. there were no houses, boats or jetskis on the lakes and 2. Those are some BIIIGGG frikkin mountains.
In order for DAL to get a reasonable ROI on training costs for an ATL330 base, they have to start by reducing deadheads to/from and layovers in ATL. If you look at the routes that are flown/have been flown by the 330 out of ATL, here is what you get for originating flights.

ATL-HNL
ATL-ACC
ATL LOS
ATL CDG
ATL FRA
ATL BCN
ATL DUB
ATL AMS
ATL LHR/LGW

Of those routes only four seem to be more than a 2-3 month seasonal thing - HNL, ACC, LOS and AMS. LOS may in fact be year round on the 330 if the bunks are installed before winter.

I would look at those 4 routes being the staple of ATL 330 flying until the base is expanded, otherwise DAL has ****ed away a lot of money for training for little return. There is the possibility that ATL-DKR-LAD returns to the 330 as well as ATL to deep SA. I just don't see it happening yet with the initial base size being so small.

My $.02 and I'm probably wrong in assuming that DAL did this to save money in the long term.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Not inexplicable really.. it is a money thing, pure and simple. And it is not lost on me that it costs pilot jobs when DGS takes over the simulators, but... I have always had a problem with the fiefdoms that seemed to sprout up when we had seniority list instructors. It would be OK with me I guess if they had to be able to hold what they instructed on, and there were term limits..
The quality of training was always my top priority. You can't put a price on the best training. There is no possibility of a non-Delta pilot giving the same quality of instruction. Not even when they get to ride the jumpseat once a year to observe and hope to stay relevant.

And I never saw fiefdoms at NWA.

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Old 06-20-2011, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
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The DGS guys I have worked with have all been fNWA or fDAL line pilots and the training was very good. I too would prefer line pilot instructors because of the continuity between line and school house operations and more pilot jobs. Of course the other side of the coin is if we had line pilot instructors we might not need all those standards pilots showing us how they really do it on the line

And since we don't technically have any standard operating procedure why don't they call them technique pilots?
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It could be RA just pitting companies against each other, but those jets will bs flown by Mainline if they come to Delta. PERIOD.
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
PM his name so I can tell him what a jackass he is.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Carl,

The DGS guys I have worked with have all been fNWA or fDAL line pilots and the training was very good. I too would prefer line pilot instructors because of the continuity between line and school house operations and more pilot jobs. Of course the other side of the coin is if we had line pilot instructors we might not need all those standards pilots showing us how they really do it on the line

And since we don't technically have any standard operating procedure why don't they call them technique pilots?
I personally can't stand DGS instructors. I recently went through 320 initial and the best part about it was the FO instructors and lack of DGS guys. Go through MD88 initial and you'll see just how out of touch those guys are... with reality and the airplane.

With all that said they are cheap labor and not going away anytime soon.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
Seriously... I forget when do they typically post these results... is it days or weeks?
A bid this size could be posted as early as Wed/Thur, but they could wait until July 1st too. It is really up to them.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Embraer sees chances of Delta order

Monday June 20, 2011, 11:38 am EDT
By Cesar Bianconi

LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Brazilian planemaker Embraer sees "good chances" of firm orders from U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines, which will likely make a decision to renew its fleet by October, a top company executive told Reuters on Monday.

Embraer is competing to win orders from Delta, which will likely buy as many as 100 new regional aircraft to replace its aging fleet. The U.S. carrier could buy a total 400 planes among large, mid-sized and small jets.

"Our expectation is that Delta decides about all this in October ... they are in talks with everyone," Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, who heads Embraer's commercial aviation unit, said in an interview at the Paris Air Show.

Silva's comments highlight Embraer's salesforce efforts to defend its market leader position in the regional jet market, which is slowly attracting rivals from China, Russia and Japan. Embraer said earlier in the day that it won orders for 39 E-190 regional jets worth $1.7 billion at list prices at the airshow.

Customers include Air Lease Corp, Air Astana, General Electric, Sriwijaya Air and Kenya Airways, Embraer said. The planemaker predicted demand for 7,225 regional jets in the next 20 years, worth $320 billion.

The world's biggest producer of regional jets is also close to sealing a deal for the sale of six to 10 jets to Republic Airlines, Silva said. Talks with Indonesian airline Garuda could produce a firm order within the next three months, he noted.

Sales announcements are easing worries about Embraer's near-term challenges, which include a strong local currency that drives up production costs, natural disasters and geopolitical tensions around the world that could disrupt deliveries, and a sluggish global economic recovery.

Sao Paulo-traded shares of the company rose slightly on Monday, the second day of gains. Embraer's U.S.-traded stock gained 0.4 percent to $31.82.

Among companies competing for the Delta contract are behemoths Boeing and Airbus, and Canada's Bombardier -- Embraer's archrival in the regional market.

Silva voiced concerns that plans by Airbus and Boeing to ramp up output in coming years could spark a glut of aircraft in global markets.

"Both of them are expecting to deliver 1,000 jets a year. That's a lot," he said.

"If there are disruptions in orders by Malaysia, India, or any global economic problem, it could be bad for the industry as a whole," he added.

(Writing by Guillermo Parra-Bernal, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

If they get one, it will be for jets not yet built. I do not see DAL buying a jets that is last gen, but who knows.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Yep....

For a pilot in the 11.7k+ range:
DTW DC9B
31 senior pilots hold an AE preference

NYC M88B
62 senior pilots hold an AE preference

MEM DC9 B
18 senior pilots hold an AE preference

Waht, Wut, What???????????????????
Being a 9 driver why would guys preference that airplane since its going away? Are they looking to get a paid move?
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
He is being honest. It is about them and their ability to get the maximum amount of money before they shove off. Makes sense, even if we do not like it.

That said, only 10% of this group would see it that way.
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