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Old 06-20-2011, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
That's probably why you guys train only domestic in ATL because the instructors have no idea of International operations???
Who are "you guys"?
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
For some reason, Delta is committed to ensuring non-Delta pilots teach Delta pilots in the simulator. It's not much ado about nothing. It's absolutely inexplicable.

Don't know if this is the case at United, Continental or American, but it sure wasn't the case at Northwest.

Sad to think about how many more Delta pilot jobs this would create.

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Not inexplicable really.. it is a money thing, pure and simple. And it is not lost on me that it costs pilot jobs when DGS takes over the simulators, but... I have always had a problem with the fiefdoms that seemed to sprout up when we had seniority list instructors. It would be OK with me I guess if they had to be able to hold what they instructed on, and there were term limits..
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Why? jetBlue, US Airways, Air Canada, and Copa fly 190's at mainline.....

Any aircraft that seats over 76, and any 51-76 seat airframes over 255 are flown by pilots on the Delta Air Lines Master Seniority List.

It's the 255 not currently flown by Delta Pilots that provides the heartburn....
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I wouldn't mind flying one of those E190s. Something has to replace the dc-9s leaving, and I don't know anyone who would vote to give them to DCI.
I personally don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I hear the words RJ and "large, mixed purchase order" together in the same sentence when discussing the future of our fleet.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind flying these aircraft either, but I see the pressure to keep these RJs at our regional counterparts continuing.
Furthermore seeing as scope violations all but go unnoticed by ALPA, I don't see what would be stopping management from continuing to outsource our jobs.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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I think it is BS. I hope I am wrong and mainline gets these jets or others. We need more domestic fleet from my limited perspective.
It could be RA just pitting companies against each other, but those jets will bs flown by Mainline if they come to Delta. PERIOD.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
For some reason, Delta is committed to ensuring non-Delta pilots teach Delta pilots in the simulator. It's not much ado about nothing. It's absolutely inexplicable.

Don't know if this is the case at United, Continental or American, but it sure wasn't the case at Northwest.

Sad to think about how many more Delta pilot jobs this would create.

Carl
Carl,

The DGS guys I have worked with have all been fNWA or fDAL line pilots and the training was very good. I too would prefer line pilot instructors because of the continuity between line and school house operations and more pilot jobs. Of course the other side of the coin is if we had line pilot instructors we might not need all those standards pilots showing us how they really do it on the line

And since we don't technically have any standard operating procedure why don't they call them technique pilots?
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I definitely defer to you in all these matters... and I guess it could be loose.. but I'd be willing to bet a case that it was not intended that way..
you loose! ;-)

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Old 06-20-2011, 12:15 PM
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AE results were never posted same day? I might be thinking of something else.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
For some reason, Delta is committed to ensuring non-Delta pilots teach Delta pilots in the simulator. It's not much ado about nothing. It's absolutely inexplicable.

Don't know if this is the case at United, Continental or American, but it sure wasn't the case at Northwest.

Sad to think about how many more Delta pilot jobs this would create.

Carl
Carl, I've never flown with a DGS instructor who wasn't a retired DAL CA in the same type. They're actually very good.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
What? Even.....even your old pal Carl?

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Ha ha, well no, but people were picking numbers out of the sky and I thought why so low?

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You'd have to prohibit all aircraft from landing in DTW.

Carl
Never thought about it... they'd need to make sure the planes never land at any base or airport we serve and even then it may not be enough.

Originally Posted by tsquare
Not inexplicable really.. it is a money thing, pure and simple. And it is not lost on me that it costs pilot jobs when DGS takes over the simulators, but... I have always had a problem with the fiefdoms that seemed to sprout up when we had seniority list instructors. It would be OK with me I guess if they had to be able to hold what they instructed on, and there were term limits..
Term limits is a great idea. If you go offline you should have a choice, if you stay out more than 5 years you lose your seniority number and no more than 50% of your time to date can be offline, or you return to flying after 5 years.

Offline would be training, management, chief pilots office, alpa or even the time between posts on apcf.

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Old 06-20-2011, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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I think it is BS. I hope I am wrong and mainline gets these jets or others. We need more domestic fleet from my limited perspective.
That article didn't say anything about the jets going to regional carriers. Rather, the author (and Embraer) repeatedly refer to them as "regional" jets, to be purchased by Delta.

Isn't the E-190 / E-195 the aircraft being considered by Delta right now as a result of the RFP?

I just didn't read anything in that article that would indicate those aircraft were intended for other than mainline flying.
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