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06-20-2011, 09:14 AM
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So lemme get this straight... Between now and... sometime... soon... DAL is gonna move the 747 sim to ATL... get it certified... all the while maintaining a continuous level of training... then pay perdiem to the guys in MSP so that they will go to ATL and continue that level of training.. all the way thru the end of 2012....
It's not like 747 sim instructors are rare. The sim will be down while it is disassembled and moved.. reassembled, and re-certified. Wouldn't DAL be able to find suitable replacements in that time period? Don't start with the corporate knowledge thing either... I just don't buy that one.. Fire away
It's not like 747 sim instructors are rare. The sim will be down while it is disassembled and moved.. reassembled, and re-certified. Wouldn't DAL be able to find suitable replacements in that time period? Don't start with the corporate knowledge thing either... I just don't buy that one.. Fire away
06-20-2011, 09:32 AM
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So lemme get this straight... Between now and... sometime... soon... DAL is gonna move the 747 sim to ATL... get it certified... all the while maintaining a continuous level of training... then pay perdiem to the guys in MSP so that they will go to ATL and continue that level of training.. all the way thru the end of 2012....
It's not like 747 sim instructors are rare. The sim will be down while it is disassembled and moved.. reassembled, and re-certified. Wouldn't DAL be able to find suitable replacements in that time period? Don't start with the corporate knowledge thing either... I just don't buy that one.. Fire away
It's not like 747 sim instructors are rare. The sim will be down while it is disassembled and moved.. reassembled, and re-certified. Wouldn't DAL be able to find suitable replacements in that time period? Don't start with the corporate knowledge thing either... I just don't buy that one.. Fire away
I don't want to argue but I have seen the difference between the DGS instructors and the line pilot instructors. My assumption would be there would even be a greater level of difference from off the street instructors.
06-20-2011, 09:47 AM
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Any of you guys see this?
Embraer sees chances of Delta order
Monday June 20, 2011, 11:38 am EDT
By Cesar Bianconi
LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Brazilian planemaker Embraer sees "good chances" of firm orders from U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines, which will likely make a decision to renew its fleet by October, a top company executive told Reuters on Monday.
Embraer is competing to win orders from Delta, which will likely buy as many as 100 new regional aircraft to replace its aging fleet. The U.S. carrier could buy a total 400 planes among large, mid-sized and small jets.
"Our expectation is that Delta decides about all this in October ... they are in talks with everyone," Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, who heads Embraer's commercial aviation unit, said in an interview at the Paris Air Show.
Silva's comments highlight Embraer's salesforce efforts to defend its market leader position in the regional jet market, which is slowly attracting rivals from China, Russia and Japan. Embraer said earlier in the day that it won orders for 39 E-190 regional jets worth $1.7 billion at list prices at the airshow.
Customers include Air Lease Corp, Air Astana, General Electric, Sriwijaya Air and Kenya Airways, Embraer said. The planemaker predicted demand for 7,225 regional jets in the next 20 years, worth $320 billion.
The world's biggest producer of regional jets is also close to sealing a deal for the sale of six to 10 jets to Republic Airlines, Silva said. Talks with Indonesian airline Garuda could produce a firm order within the next three months, he noted.
Sales announcements are easing worries about Embraer's near-term challenges, which include a strong local currency that drives up production costs, natural disasters and geopolitical tensions around the world that could disrupt deliveries, and a sluggish global economic recovery.
Sao Paulo-traded shares of the company rose slightly on Monday, the second day of gains. Embraer's U.S.-traded stock gained 0.4 percent to $31.82.
Among companies competing for the Delta contract are behemoths Boeing and Airbus, and Canada's Bombardier -- Embraer's archrival in the regional market.
Silva voiced concerns that plans by Airbus and Boeing to ramp up output in coming years could spark a glut of aircraft in global markets.
"Both of them are expecting to deliver 1,000 jets a year. That's a lot," he said.
"If there are disruptions in orders by Malaysia, India, or any global economic problem, it could be bad for the industry as a whole," he added.
(Writing by Guillermo Parra-Bernal, editing by Dave Zimmerman)
Monday June 20, 2011, 11:38 am EDT
By Cesar Bianconi
LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Brazilian planemaker Embraer sees "good chances" of firm orders from U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines, which will likely make a decision to renew its fleet by October, a top company executive told Reuters on Monday.
Embraer is competing to win orders from Delta, which will likely buy as many as 100 new regional aircraft to replace its aging fleet. The U.S. carrier could buy a total 400 planes among large, mid-sized and small jets.
"Our expectation is that Delta decides about all this in October ... they are in talks with everyone," Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, who heads Embraer's commercial aviation unit, said in an interview at the Paris Air Show.
Silva's comments highlight Embraer's salesforce efforts to defend its market leader position in the regional jet market, which is slowly attracting rivals from China, Russia and Japan. Embraer said earlier in the day that it won orders for 39 E-190 regional jets worth $1.7 billion at list prices at the airshow.
Customers include Air Lease Corp, Air Astana, General Electric, Sriwijaya Air and Kenya Airways, Embraer said. The planemaker predicted demand for 7,225 regional jets in the next 20 years, worth $320 billion.
The world's biggest producer of regional jets is also close to sealing a deal for the sale of six to 10 jets to Republic Airlines, Silva said. Talks with Indonesian airline Garuda could produce a firm order within the next three months, he noted.
Sales announcements are easing worries about Embraer's near-term challenges, which include a strong local currency that drives up production costs, natural disasters and geopolitical tensions around the world that could disrupt deliveries, and a sluggish global economic recovery.
Sao Paulo-traded shares of the company rose slightly on Monday, the second day of gains. Embraer's U.S.-traded stock gained 0.4 percent to $31.82.
Among companies competing for the Delta contract are behemoths Boeing and Airbus, and Canada's Bombardier -- Embraer's archrival in the regional market.
Silva voiced concerns that plans by Airbus and Boeing to ramp up output in coming years could spark a glut of aircraft in global markets.
"Both of them are expecting to deliver 1,000 jets a year. That's a lot," he said.
"If there are disruptions in orders by Malaysia, India, or any global economic problem, it could be bad for the industry as a whole," he added.
(Writing by Guillermo Parra-Bernal, editing by Dave Zimmerman)
06-20-2011, 09:51 AM
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Found this on another forum.
Embraer sees chances of Delta order
Monday June 20, 2011, 11:38 am EDT
By Cesar Bianconi
LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Brazilian planemaker Embraer sees "good chances" of firm orders from U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines, which will likely make a decision to renew its fleet by October, a top company executive told Reuters on Monday.
Embraer is competing to win orders from Delta, which will likely buy as many as 100 new regional aircraft to replace its aging fleet. The U.S. carrier could buy a total 400 planes among large, mid-sized and small jets.
"Our expectation is that Delta decides about all this in October ... they are in talks with everyone," Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, who heads Embraer's commercial aviation unit, said in an interview at the Paris Air Show.
Silva's comments highlight Embraer's salesforce efforts to defend its market leader position in the regional jet market, which is slowly attracting rivals from China, Russia and Japan. Embraer said earlier in the day that it won orders for 39 E-190 regional jets worth $1.7 billion at list prices at the airshow.
Customers include Air Lease Corp, Air Astana, General Electric, Sriwijaya Air and Kenya Airways, Embraer said. The planemaker predicted demand for 7,225 regional jets in the next 20 years, worth $320 billion.
The world's biggest producer of regional jets is also close to sealing a deal for the sale of six to 10 jets to Republic Airlines, Silva said. Talks with Indonesian airline Garuda could produce a firm order within the next three months, he noted.
Sales announcements are easing worries about Embraer's near-term challenges, which include a strong local currency that drives up production costs, natural disasters and geopolitical tensions around the world that could disrupt deliveries, and a sluggish global economic recovery.
Sao Paulo-traded shares of the company rose slightly on Monday, the second day of gains. Embraer's U.S.-traded stock gained 0.4 percent to $31.82.
Among companies competing for the Delta contract are behemoths Boeing and Airbus, and Canada's Bombardier -- Embraer's archrival in the regional market.
Silva voiced concerns that plans by Airbus and Boeing to ramp up output in coming years could spark a glut of aircraft in global markets.
"Both of them are expecting to deliver 1,000 jets a year. That's a lot," he said.
"If there are disruptions in orders by Malaysia, India, or any global economic problem, it could be bad for the industry as a whole," he added.
(Writing by Guillermo Parra-Bernal, editing by Dave Zimmerman)
Embraer sees chances of Delta order
Monday June 20, 2011, 11:38 am EDT
By Cesar Bianconi
LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Brazilian planemaker Embraer sees "good chances" of firm orders from U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines, which will likely make a decision to renew its fleet by October, a top company executive told Reuters on Monday.
Embraer is competing to win orders from Delta, which will likely buy as many as 100 new regional aircraft to replace its aging fleet. The U.S. carrier could buy a total 400 planes among large, mid-sized and small jets.
"Our expectation is that Delta decides about all this in October ... they are in talks with everyone," Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, who heads Embraer's commercial aviation unit, said in an interview at the Paris Air Show.
Silva's comments highlight Embraer's salesforce efforts to defend its market leader position in the regional jet market, which is slowly attracting rivals from China, Russia and Japan. Embraer said earlier in the day that it won orders for 39 E-190 regional jets worth $1.7 billion at list prices at the airshow.
Customers include Air Lease Corp, Air Astana, General Electric, Sriwijaya Air and Kenya Airways, Embraer said. The planemaker predicted demand for 7,225 regional jets in the next 20 years, worth $320 billion.
The world's biggest producer of regional jets is also close to sealing a deal for the sale of six to 10 jets to Republic Airlines, Silva said. Talks with Indonesian airline Garuda could produce a firm order within the next three months, he noted.
Sales announcements are easing worries about Embraer's near-term challenges, which include a strong local currency that drives up production costs, natural disasters and geopolitical tensions around the world that could disrupt deliveries, and a sluggish global economic recovery.
Sao Paulo-traded shares of the company rose slightly on Monday, the second day of gains. Embraer's U.S.-traded stock gained 0.4 percent to $31.82.
Among companies competing for the Delta contract are behemoths Boeing and Airbus, and Canada's Bombardier -- Embraer's archrival in the regional market.
Silva voiced concerns that plans by Airbus and Boeing to ramp up output in coming years could spark a glut of aircraft in global markets.
"Both of them are expecting to deliver 1,000 jets a year. That's a lot," he said.
"If there are disruptions in orders by Malaysia, India, or any global economic problem, it could be bad for the industry as a whole," he added.
(Writing by Guillermo Parra-Bernal, editing by Dave Zimmerman)
06-20-2011, 09:56 AM
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06-20-2011, 10:06 AM
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Why? jetBlue, US Airways, Air Canada, and Copa fly 190's at mainline.....
Any aircraft that seats over 76, and any 51-76 seat airframes over 255 are flown by pilots on the Delta Air Lines Master Seniority List.
It's the 255 not currently flown by Delta Pilots that provides the heartburn....
Any aircraft that seats over 76, and any 51-76 seat airframes over 255 are flown by pilots on the Delta Air Lines Master Seniority List.
It's the 255 not currently flown by Delta Pilots that provides the heartburn....
06-20-2011, 10:09 AM
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06-20-2011, 10:20 AM
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Well maybe, maybe not. We are very lucky with the current DGS 747 instructors right now. They all flew the aircraft for many years, and some since its inception. In addition, 2 or 3 of them ran the -400 program at NWA. You aren't going to have people walk in off the street with those qualifications. Remember the -400 was only operated by NWA and UAL in the states. This doesn't mean that quality instructors from other fleets/aircraft can't be brought up to speed and provide a quality product. It just may take time.
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06-20-2011, 10:25 AM
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Well maybe, maybe not. We are very lucky with the current DGS 747 instructors right now. They all flew the aircraft for many years, and some since its inception. In addition, 2 or 3 of them ran the -400 program at NWA. You aren't going to have people walk in off the street with those qualifications. Remember the -400 was only operated by NWA and UAL in the states. This doesn't mean that quality instructors from other fleets/aircraft can't be brought up to speed and provide a quality product. It just may take time.
I doubt there will be a shortage of high qualified, retired pilots who'd love to teach as DGS instructors.
06-20-2011, 10:36 AM
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Amen! There is no way that 6151 Delta pilots are going to vote for a TA that gives 100 seaters to DCI. Delta already said in their RFP that the 100 seaters will be flown by mainline pilots. I think they know better than to ask the negoiating committee for allowing 100 seaters @ DCI.
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