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Old 06-17-2011, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I agree SWA has a better scope clause.

I am still waiting for DALPA to come clean on how RAH doesn't violate ours. Make a believer out of me and I'll shut up about it. Until then I have nothing but contempt for our scope defense.
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I'm with you Scambo, I think if anything it shows a lack of action or enforcement on our behalf which doesn't bode well for any of us. When the next contract comes around the scope restrictions that we hopefully put in place will be fruitless and meaningless without any type of concrete enforcement from the pilot groups behalf.
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Enough of our guys carry a backpack to where we can't say anything about that. They nailed it.
I usually don't have problems with the backpack thing.....


I have, however, had issues with my Lunchbox.

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Old 06-17-2011, 02:19 AM
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Oil's at $93/barrel.

Oil falls to below $93 amid stronger US dollar - Business - Oil & energy - msnbc.com
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Funny how bean counters from differerent airlines come up with different numbers. So far we have Alaska and American who say it makes total sense moving to ipad. Delta: "Nope we like paper". Hmmm

American Airlines to save $1.2 million shifting paper flight charts to iPad

AppleInsider | American Airlines to save $1.2 million shifting paper flight charts to iPad
I'm sure the airside kits are a prelude to electronic kits one day, however I think someone mentioned it here before how even the smallest change on a web page can take over a year to process through a technology department. I mean even transitioning to online based recurrent training, eliminating the CDs, is taking a good amount of time, so I just don't think they have the full available resources to focus on it.


As much as it would probably save in the long run, I think you would be looking at a relatively high upfront price. The company is probably trying to figure out the best time to show such a loss due to this expense.

I've heard that Jeppesen isn't exactly passing on a huge amount of the savings onto the airlines even though production and shipping costs would go down. Makes sense to hold out for this until Jeppsen starts offering a better deal.

Personally, being an Ipad owner, I think the devices are great and I have started to see there application in other parts of our company, but I think there may be better options out there. The devices are great, but beyond there usability, there is a public stigma out there that goes along with pilots using Ipads, especially after the laptop incident. This isn't exactly a driving factor, nor should it be, but it would be foolhardy not to think that the potential for distraction would occur somewhere in the system.
(Dependant on how they are reprogrammed of course)



I would love to see something like this soon, but just looking at the size of our company, I think we are a good amount of time away from this. I'm typically wrong though so, who knows.
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:32 AM
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I am too lazy to look my prediction up, but a few months back I figured it would be in the upper 70's to low 80's by late fall. I suspect the Fed will raise interest rates by a quarter to a half point which will further solidify oil's price reduction.

Yes, the US Government does not want to raise rates,(they will pay more on their debt) but almost everyone agrees that inflation is there, and the rates need to be adjusted accordingly.
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is a whole bunch of bad info posted here on the Ipads. Here are a the main points.
1. Delta has not ruled out buying Ipads. They are being tested as we speak.
2. There is no issue with other employees since the Ipads would not be for personal use and more then likely locked out from downloading apps ect..
3. The IPad is not certified for use below 10,000 and must be turned off. It can't replace Jepps in the cockpit. It can only replace other company publications most of which are stored on the aircraft such as the MDM.
4. The GPS in the Ipad does not meet any avaition standards and could never be used for Geo referenced positions on plates and charts. A huge negative for the Ipad.
5. Delta is testing several other options more avaition oriented that offer a lot more functionality then the Ipad. The cost however is higher.
6. The test period runs into the summer. No decisions will be made for a few months.
They could be, but a mounting device and packup power source would need to be created in the flight deck.

Also, RA wants something that signs you in for a rotation the second you hit airport property, allows automatic pub updates at that time, as well as a real time interface that scheduling can auto notify you on your i-pad of a reroute, sked change etc. They would also like some sort of mtc reporting functionality.

I can see all of this coming either in a tablet form or something more specifically designed for aviation.
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:51 AM
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Airbus Orders Pressure Boeing

Airbus Orders Pressure Boeing - WSJ.com

Delta needs to get it's orders into the que or we'll be waiting for some time.

How about Bombardier's C-Series? Debuts in 2013.

Heard: Bombardier Looks Like Flying Ace

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...555035984.html

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Old 06-17-2011, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They could be, but a mounting device and packup power source would need to be created in the flight deck.

Also, RA wants something that signs you in for a rotation the second you hit airport property, allows automatic pub updates at that time, as well as a real time interface that scheduling can auto notify you on your i-pad of a reroute, sked change etc. They would also like some sort of mtc reporting functionality.

I can see all of this coming either in a tablet form or something more specifically designed for aviation.

I'll toss this out as a proposal. Interim Ipad gap filler could be that the company either "recommends" or "mandates" Ipads for pilots. This has the effect of making the Ipad an unreimbursed employee expense which is something that can be written off in the year it was put in use much like jeffeson binders or steel toed shoes.

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Old 06-17-2011, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I usually don't have problems with the backpack thing.....


I have, however, had issues with my Lunchbox.
No kidding, I had that exact lunchbox! Oh, the memories!
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Old 06-17-2011, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I'll toss this out as a proposal. Interim Ipad gap filler could be that the company either "recommends" or "mandates" Ipads for pilots. This has the effect of making the Ipad an unreimbursed employee expense which is something that can be written off in the year it was put in use much like jeffeson binders or steel toed shoes.

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I think if the company ever decides to go with the Ipad, the preference from there end will be to purchase them in bulk in a predetermined customized configuration. Allowing pilots to purchase Ipads on their own limits the company's ability to maintain control on how these devices are used.

Just a guess.
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