Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-09-2011, 06:41 AM
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06-09-2011, 06:46 AM
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Since we like girls and things with wings, why not combine the two?
She obviously eats in a "breasturaunt."
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06-09-2011, 07:06 AM
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That said, I am not too sure. There are a ton of pilots trying to get in to ATL that will now be able to do it via AE, and MD and VD. The senior 330 drivers in MSP would be faced with a commute to DTW on the whale, a down bid or a early out. I know what I probably would take.
It will all be known in the next few days.
06-09-2011, 07:10 AM
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Can you put an approximate number on "ton" ? Figure all the pilots trying to get into Atlanta will bid the 88 to do it? A bid to the 88 would avoid the truly miserable MAO flying that is coming back to the 737's junior ranks.
Atlanta was decimated with the 767-400 move and other 767 cuts, forcing a lot of pilots down to the MD88 and off to New York. If the bid is a net positive for Atlanta, will the numbers be sufficient for those who wish change their domicile? Some of the junior NY crowd was hoping to come back too, but may be blocked by the anticipated MSP exodus / migration.
Why is ATL so incredibly popular? Is it really that much better a commute?
Atlanta was decimated with the 767-400 move and other 767 cuts, forcing a lot of pilots down to the MD88 and off to New York. If the bid is a net positive for Atlanta, will the numbers be sufficient for those who wish change their domicile? Some of the junior NY crowd was hoping to come back too, but may be blocked by the anticipated MSP exodus / migration.
Why is ATL so incredibly popular? Is it really that much better a commute?
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06-09-2011, 07:25 AM
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Can you put an approximate number on "ton." Atlanta was decimated with the 767-400 move and other 767 cuts, forcing a lot of pilots down to the MD88 and off to New York.
Figure all the pilots trying to get into Atlanta will bid the 88 to do it? If the bid is a net positive for Atlanta, will the numbers be sufficient for those who wish change their domicile?
Why is ATL so incredibly popular?
Figure all the pilots trying to get into Atlanta will bid the 88 to do it? If the bid is a net positive for Atlanta, will the numbers be sufficient for those who wish change their domicile?
Why is ATL so incredibly popular?
I don't think ATL is incredibly popular. I think it is incredibly big and hence the percentage of changes in position is very high whenever movement occurs (whether good or bad).
Denny
06-09-2011, 07:27 AM
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69!!!!! :d
06-09-2011, 07:29 AM
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I keep hoping for some West Coast action, particularly Seattle. Why can't we move our Alaska Airlines operation to ... oh' never mind.
06-09-2011, 07:34 AM
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Can you put an approximate number on "ton" ? Figure all the pilots trying to get into Atlanta will bid the 88 to do it? A bid to the 88 would avoid the truly miserable MAO flying that is coming back to the 737's junior ranks.
Atlanta was decimated with the 767-400 move and other 767 cuts, forcing a lot of pilots down to the MD88 and off to New York. If the bid is a net positive for Atlanta, will the numbers be sufficient for those who wish change their domicile? Some of the junior NY crowd was hoping to come back too, but may be blocked by the anticipated MSP exodus / migration.
Why is ATL so incredibly popular? Is it really that much better a commute?
Atlanta was decimated with the 767-400 move and other 767 cuts, forcing a lot of pilots down to the MD88 and off to New York. If the bid is a net positive for Atlanta, will the numbers be sufficient for those who wish change their domicile? Some of the junior NY crowd was hoping to come back too, but may be blocked by the anticipated MSP exodus / migration.
Why is ATL so incredibly popular? Is it really that much better a commute?
06-09-2011, 07:45 AM
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Political leaders rip Delta on job loss
More Bad Press in the Minneapolis Paper this morning (Front Page):
Political leaders rip Delta on job loss
* Article by: DAVID SHAFFER , Star Tribune
* Updated: June 8, 2011 - 10:53 PM
They say the move of several hundred jobs from Minnesota to Atlanta breaks a pledge and fear worse lies ahead.
Political leaders pounced on Delta Air Lines Wednesday and accused it of breaking a promise to keep jobs in Minnesota after its 2008 takeover of Northwest Airlines.
The criticism followed Delta's announcement that it would move several hundred training and technical jobs from Minnesota to Atlanta to save money, although employees could keep their jobs if they relocated. The decision underscores fears that the Northwest deal would lead Delta to whittle away at its Minnesota presence, but the airline says it remains committed to its Minneapolis-St. Paul hub.
"Delta made a commitment to keep many of these jobs in Minnesota," said U.S. Rep. John Kline, R-Minn. "I am extremely disappointed Delta is now backing away from that promise by moving jobs out of Minnesota."
Gov. Mark Dayton also said he was disappointed by Delta's plans to consolidate some operations. The airline said it will move pilot training, flight attendant training and flight simulator jobs from the former Northwest center in Eagan. Some engineering and technical jobs based at the airport will be transferred, as well.
The former Northwest center was one of the top pilot training facilities in the world, but Delta already has a facility at its home base in Atlanta. Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant said some of the simulator equipment will be moved from Eagan to Atlanta.
He said it is not clear yet whether the Eagan training building will be sold.
Delta responded to criticism of the move by saying that rising fuel prices represent "the new reality for our business," requiring efficient use of assets and investments.
"Delta's merger with Northwest resulted in a stronger company and greater long-term job protection than either carrier could have provided as single airlines," Delta said in a statement. "We've kept our commitment to no frontline involuntary furloughs as a result of the merger and have jobs available for every employee who is willing to relocate as part of the facility consolidation."
U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, a Democrat whose district includes the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, said Delta already trimmed 1,500 Minnesota jobs with the merger.
Ellison questioned why Delta is announcing the latest move at the same time the National Mediation Board, which oversees airline union elections, is investigating whether Delta illegally interfered with representation votes by flight attendants and baggage handlers last year. The former Northwest unions lost their bid to represent the Delta workforce.
Delta responded that Ellison's linking of the union election to the consolidation plan "is an insult to the majority of voters -- including pre-merger Northwest employees -- who rejected union representation."
CEO Richard Anderson said in a memo to employees Tuesday that Delta will continue to have 12,000 employees in Minnesota and remains "firmly committed" to the Minneapolis-St. Paul hub.
The company's decision to move its training and technical workers out of Minnesota means it must pay off $175 million it owes the Metropolitan Airports Commission on a 1992 loan to help then-struggling Northwest. That debt agreement, revised after Delta acquired Northwest, required it to retain its Eagan training centers -- or repay the money.
Pat Hogan, a spokesman for the commission, which owns the airport, said Delta still is obligated by lease agreements to maintain a minimum of 360 departures a day, and the airline more than meets that with 480 now.
Delta has announced plans to cut routes and staff after Labor Day, but Hogan said Minneapolis-St. Paul is expected to remain the airline's No. 2 hub behind Atlanta. In recent discussions with Delta, the airline has indicated that MSP probably won't face the same level of flight reductions in the fall as other airports, Hogan said.
The Eagan training center is part of a 72-acre campus that also contains the two-story former Northwest Airlines headquarters, a property valued at $5.5 million.
Eagan City Administrator Tom Hedges said the Delta center has been an economic benefit to area hotels because pilots from elsewhere in the country stayed in the area for a week or so during simulator training, he added.
Anderson said the job shifts will happen this year and next. Delta also would cease occupying two smaller airport hangars -- not the big ones visible from Interstate 494 -- and offices attached to them, Hogan said.
Star Tribune staff writer Baird Helgeson contributed to this report. David Shaffer • 612-673-7090
Political leaders rip Delta on job loss
* Article by: DAVID SHAFFER , Star Tribune
* Updated: June 8, 2011 - 10:53 PM
They say the move of several hundred jobs from Minnesota to Atlanta breaks a pledge and fear worse lies ahead.
Political leaders pounced on Delta Air Lines Wednesday and accused it of breaking a promise to keep jobs in Minnesota after its 2008 takeover of Northwest Airlines.
The criticism followed Delta's announcement that it would move several hundred training and technical jobs from Minnesota to Atlanta to save money, although employees could keep their jobs if they relocated. The decision underscores fears that the Northwest deal would lead Delta to whittle away at its Minnesota presence, but the airline says it remains committed to its Minneapolis-St. Paul hub.
"Delta made a commitment to keep many of these jobs in Minnesota," said U.S. Rep. John Kline, R-Minn. "I am extremely disappointed Delta is now backing away from that promise by moving jobs out of Minnesota."
Gov. Mark Dayton also said he was disappointed by Delta's plans to consolidate some operations. The airline said it will move pilot training, flight attendant training and flight simulator jobs from the former Northwest center in Eagan. Some engineering and technical jobs based at the airport will be transferred, as well.
The former Northwest center was one of the top pilot training facilities in the world, but Delta already has a facility at its home base in Atlanta. Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant said some of the simulator equipment will be moved from Eagan to Atlanta.
He said it is not clear yet whether the Eagan training building will be sold.
Delta responded to criticism of the move by saying that rising fuel prices represent "the new reality for our business," requiring efficient use of assets and investments.
"Delta's merger with Northwest resulted in a stronger company and greater long-term job protection than either carrier could have provided as single airlines," Delta said in a statement. "We've kept our commitment to no frontline involuntary furloughs as a result of the merger and have jobs available for every employee who is willing to relocate as part of the facility consolidation."
U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, a Democrat whose district includes the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, said Delta already trimmed 1,500 Minnesota jobs with the merger.
Ellison questioned why Delta is announcing the latest move at the same time the National Mediation Board, which oversees airline union elections, is investigating whether Delta illegally interfered with representation votes by flight attendants and baggage handlers last year. The former Northwest unions lost their bid to represent the Delta workforce.
Delta responded that Ellison's linking of the union election to the consolidation plan "is an insult to the majority of voters -- including pre-merger Northwest employees -- who rejected union representation."
CEO Richard Anderson said in a memo to employees Tuesday that Delta will continue to have 12,000 employees in Minnesota and remains "firmly committed" to the Minneapolis-St. Paul hub.
The company's decision to move its training and technical workers out of Minnesota means it must pay off $175 million it owes the Metropolitan Airports Commission on a 1992 loan to help then-struggling Northwest. That debt agreement, revised after Delta acquired Northwest, required it to retain its Eagan training centers -- or repay the money.
Pat Hogan, a spokesman for the commission, which owns the airport, said Delta still is obligated by lease agreements to maintain a minimum of 360 departures a day, and the airline more than meets that with 480 now.
Delta has announced plans to cut routes and staff after Labor Day, but Hogan said Minneapolis-St. Paul is expected to remain the airline's No. 2 hub behind Atlanta. In recent discussions with Delta, the airline has indicated that MSP probably won't face the same level of flight reductions in the fall as other airports, Hogan said.
The Eagan training center is part of a 72-acre campus that also contains the two-story former Northwest Airlines headquarters, a property valued at $5.5 million.
Eagan City Administrator Tom Hedges said the Delta center has been an economic benefit to area hotels because pilots from elsewhere in the country stayed in the area for a week or so during simulator training, he added.
Anderson said the job shifts will happen this year and next. Delta also would cease occupying two smaller airport hangars -- not the big ones visible from Interstate 494 -- and offices attached to them, Hogan said.
Star Tribune staff writer Baird Helgeson contributed to this report. David Shaffer • 612-673-7090
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