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Old 06-08-2011, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Wouldn't the Army prefer issues over interpretations of policy and getting them fixed be handled discreetly, or has the military become so permissive that soldiers are encouraged to start a media row over consumer complaints? I know we sure see a lot of military enlisted in front of cameras with complaints these days.

(edit ... question was answered above ... soldier has a travel card)

Just re-read the "Social Media Policy" and if a person identified as a employed pilot were to get in front of a camera to complain about something like a hotel's service they'd be in violation.
Mr Bucking Bar,

Lighten up a bit, Soldiers have a long history of complaining when they feel they have been wronged. I doubt the everyday Soldier knows the details of the government contract with Delta Air Lines. These guys were just blowing off steam, considering they are returning from
Afghanistan, I think we should give them the benefit of doubt. Maybe Delta could direct bill the government???

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Old 06-08-2011, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
Mr Bucking Bar,

Lighten up a bit, Soldiers have a long history of complaining when they feel they have been wronged. I doubt the everyday Soldier knows the details of the government contract with Delta Air Lines. These guys were just blowing off steam, considering they are returning from
Afghanistan, I think we should give them the benefit of doubt. Maybe Delta could direct bill the government???

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Seriously this is becoming a much bigger deal then it needs to be.

As someone said earlier, I'm sure the check is in the mail already, and the policy has been altered to follow suit.
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Seriously this is becoming a much bigger deal then it needs to be.

As someone said earlier, I'm sure the check is in the mail already, and the policy has been altered to follow suit.
DAL is getting destroyed on their FB blog. People are shouting boycott. It's so funny. This will blow over in a week or so, & people will be back on the search engines looking for the lowest fares.
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
Mr Bucking Bar,

Lighten up a bit, Soldiers have a long history of complaining when they feel they have been wronged. I doubt the everyday Soldier knows the details of the government contract with Delta Air Lines. These guys were just blowing off steam, considering they are returning from
Afghanistan, I think we should give them the benefit of doubt. Maybe Delta could direct bill the government???

Disclosure: AP spent 20 years in the Army, both enlisted and as a officer.
I can see BB's point. Complaining is one thing, and I've been a champion at it... but I'm not sure I'd want to be seen complaining about a nationally known business on a public forum. I bet this has received the play it has because it's so popular to bash airlines these days.

The government SHOULD handle this stuff via direct bill... but instead they force guys to give Uncle Sam an interest free loan, to be repaid when (and if) their unit sees fit. This isn't bad on Delta, it's bad on the gov.

Every time you travel or execute a set of TAD orders, you pay out of pocket (or put it on the gov. travel card, which counts against your personal credit) and hope you get reimbursed. That policy should be an embarrassment to our government. It's funny, when I'm on a trip with Delta and check in to a hotel, and all I have to do is sign my name (and not pay out of pocket) it fees like a treat!

Shouldn't the real question here be: Why do these guys have ANYTHING to do with the financial transactions necessary to get home from a combat zone?

I can't complain too bad, but I have a number of Marine buddies who on multiple occasions were forced to fund sets of TAD orders for two and three week training evolutions... so they paid BOQ or hotel, food, etc. and were never reimbursed for lodging or per diem. Absolutely criminal.

My old man got activated for OIF in 2003. He was an Army Reserve JAG guy. He said he spent a good percentage of his time contacting service member's creditors asking them for patience, as many of the troops who had purchased plane tickets, etc. to execute orders were not getting reimbursed and could not pay their bills. UFB.
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:32 PM
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Not relevant to thread ... .

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Old 06-08-2011, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I know a lot of pilots that want in to ATL that cannot get in on the jet they want. Moving a large WB would allow these guys to VD or MD in to the jets of their choice.

Simply put, 330 moves here, 330 MSP guys MD's down to the ER, senior ER guy VD's to the ER or 765 in ATL where they previously could not have bid in to that position.
What'll happen to us junior MSP 88B guys??? DTW should be an easy commute if I get an MD... right???
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Five
What'll happen to us junior MSP 88B guys??? DTW should be an easy commute if I get an MD... right???
Well the good thing is that they will have to start increasing the staffing on the M88 as the 90's start arriving. Who knows where they'll put the positions though (I'm pulling for MEM ).
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Just heard a rumor that the number of pilots taking the early out might be large.

Age 60+ guys are figuring out that it would be plain dumb not to take the money.
They ought to have a counter on the DAL ALPA site that tallies up the number of folks that put their papers in (if they are even privy to the info). Sure would beat the DAL stock quote.

What kind of things are you hearing? Even some of the older NW guys that I have talked to (very late 50's) haven't shown much interest.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
They ought to have a counter on the DAL ALPA site that tallies up the number of folks that put their papers in (if they are even privy to the info). Sure would beat the DAL stock quote.

What kind of things are you hearing? Even some of the older NW guys that I have talked to (very late 50's) haven't shown much interest.
I'm not thinking there will be many takers. Got a different perspective last week. We had a super senior WB captain from up north on the jumpseat. I had to ask, and his response was "No way". It seemed to be less about the money than the enjoyment of seniority. He can break up his vacation, and only fly one four day a month for four months a year. With sick time......

If these guys are still enjoying seeing Europe, Asia, or wherever they're getting their jollies, they aint goin' anywhere, much to our disappointment.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:31 PM
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I'll be suprised if they get triple digits. I hope I"m wrong but I'm expecting about 60-80 takers. Just my hunch.
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