Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-04-2011, 05:50 PM
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Only 80ktsclamp would design a catnip grenade:
Get them addicted and then make "the swap to end all swaps.."
Get them addicted and then make "the swap to end all swaps.."
06-04-2011, 07:21 PM
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I'm not drawing comparisons between our 757 and our MD88 pilots, but would you question that one airplane is more "pilot friendly" than the other.
06-04-2011, 07:29 PM
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[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1003361]Anyone that has flown the 88 understands looking at the PFD and wondering, have my eyes gone bad?
Forgot, Now you did it ! LOL I just spilled my coffee!
Forgot, Now you did it ! LOL I just spilled my coffee!
06-04-2011, 08:23 PM
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Hey IA, I'm thinking my next book is going to be "Sexy Secrets for Couples Traveling to Livonia" or "Chicken Wings and Rest Rooms I Have Known." Still working on it...but it will definitely include Bar Louie. I see more of Livonia then I do of my wife and kids. Nice place to visit (maybe once in a lifetime).
A couple of other book title options: "Why Does DTW Have Four Ground Freqs When JFK and LGA Have One?" and "Doo Rags and Chains? Airline Future or RJ Past?"
A couple of other book title options: "Why Does DTW Have Four Ground Freqs When JFK and LGA Have One?" and "Doo Rags and Chains? Airline Future or RJ Past?"
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06-04-2011, 11:02 PM
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So - would you take a voluntary furlough before hypothetically getting bounced to the DC9?
Personally I'd rather have a few more of these dino jets around the mainline than all the RJ's and the bleating about unity with DCI. Course' we have ourselves to blame for that. Just saying.....
06-05-2011, 02:03 AM
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Not that pre merger lines matter, but since you brought them up, the MD88 was obviously a Delta acquisition.
The post was defending guys who were screened by NWA. Don't know why you are taking offense to any of that.
The post was defending guys who were screened by NWA. Don't know why you are taking offense to any of that.
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06-05-2011, 02:49 AM
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Are we still taking a little trickle of new hires?
Sorry to hear some folks are having problems. The DC9 / MD88 is a anachronistic jet that would be a rather harsh change is the new hire had gained nearly all their experience in modern, well designed, well functioning equipment. In our class the single seat guys found the MD88 to be very challenging, but they had the right mind set, knew where to focus their energies and when to be humble. All but one made it through. The guy we lost also ended up at Southwest and I hear he's doing great on the 737.
For the civilians, time in an older turboprop would likely be of more value than RJ time. The recent generation of regional jets are very well designed and easy to fly. Aviation has advanced a lot in the half century which has elapsed since the Douglas engineers drew the first design sketches on cave walls.
Certainly our skills on EP's were sharpest on the E120. That thing broke in some of the most dramatic ways at least one a month.
Sorry to hear some folks are having problems. The DC9 / MD88 is a anachronistic jet that would be a rather harsh change is the new hire had gained nearly all their experience in modern, well designed, well functioning equipment. In our class the single seat guys found the MD88 to be very challenging, but they had the right mind set, knew where to focus their energies and when to be humble. All but one made it through. The guy we lost also ended up at Southwest and I hear he's doing great on the 737.
For the civilians, time in an older turboprop would likely be of more value than RJ time. The recent generation of regional jets are very well designed and easy to fly. Aviation has advanced a lot in the half century which has elapsed since the Douglas engineers drew the first design sketches on cave walls.
Certainly our skills on EP's were sharpest on the E120. That thing broke in some of the most dramatic ways at least one a month.
I never had any problems with training. Of course I had NewK as my DC9 mentor so training was a breeze.
06-05-2011, 03:29 AM
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So lack of basic airmanship is now the aircraft's fault? Wow. I guess you are also saying today's crop of pilots are not as good as their predecessors?
Glass is a great tool to aid, but not substitute for SA. Flying it now, but would not hesitate to fly left seat in the DC9 or MD.
Glass is a great tool to aid, but not substitute for SA. Flying it now, but would not hesitate to fly left seat in the DC9 or MD.
Technology has improved to the point where it has made cockpit management more efficient, cleaner, and user-friendly. Pilots who first flew airliners did not have the years of technology advancement, accident/incident investigations, and human factors research behind them.
These pilots had to think on the feet with technology that was no where as near as reliable at it is today.
In the long run, I think it's apples and oranges, I think as far as cockpit management on behalf of technological advancement has come, managing resources can be as difficult as mismanaging the resources.
Bottom line, I never placed much stock the better pilots flew this plane versus that plane argument, the way I see it you can have a bad pilot or a good one in any plane.
06-05-2011, 03:52 AM
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I think it's not so much a matter of "basic airmanship" or being a better pilot, but I do think that our predecessors in some ways faced alot more challenges then we do today.
Technology has improved to the point where it has made cockpit management more efficient, cleaner, and user-friendly. Pilots who first flew airliners did not have the years of technology advancement, accident/incident investigations, and human factors research behind them.
These pilots had to think on the feet with technology that was no where as near as reliable at it is today.
In the long run, I think it's apples and oranges, I think as far as cockpit management on behalf of technological advancement has come, managing resources can be as difficult as mismanaging the resources.
Bottom line, I never placed much stock the better pilots flew this plane versus that plane argument, the way I see it you can have a bad pilot or a good one in any plane.
Technology has improved to the point where it has made cockpit management more efficient, cleaner, and user-friendly. Pilots who first flew airliners did not have the years of technology advancement, accident/incident investigations, and human factors research behind them.
These pilots had to think on the feet with technology that was no where as near as reliable at it is today.
In the long run, I think it's apples and oranges, I think as far as cockpit management on behalf of technological advancement has come, managing resources can be as difficult as mismanaging the resources.
Bottom line, I never placed much stock the better pilots flew this plane versus that plane argument, the way I see it you can have a bad pilot or a good one in any plane.
Pilot 2: You mean drunk?
06-05-2011, 04:33 AM
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Some good news. I moved up 3 numbers this month!
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