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Old 06-02-2011, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I noticed that too. I figured by fall but who knows.
I can agree with your last two words but I think you are being overly optimistic with the first part. Ninety plus percent of the FA's I talk with, whether they are pro union or not, just want a decision to be made one way or the other.

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Old 06-02-2011, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Today, Delta is flying 3 757-300's and 2 757's from MSP to SEA. Some of those aircraft will fly with the Alaska code on it. If you are going to have a code share then both sides are going to have to have some benefits. Why would Alaska management or the Alaska pilots ever agree to a deal where Delta gets to "own" flying in their hubs, but Alaska doesn't get to "own" flying in their hubs.

Using your analogy, the Alaska pilots should be offended by all those A-330's and 767's flying out of their hub in Seattle.

If Delta did not have a code share, what is the chance that Alaska would not fly from MSP to SEA? We don't have a code share with American and I see them flying from MSP to DFW, ORD, and other hubs. Is that a Scope Failure?
Alfa,

I agree with you but I still would like to recapture all of our flying by capitalism and competition. Delta is diluting its "brand" ,jeopardizing its culture and "chipping" away at its quality by outsourcing to third rate carriers like REPUBLIC. I do agree Alaska is quality but Republic: NOT.

I would love to see Delta flights being flown by Delta Pilots in command of Delta Aircraft. It is so simple yet the politics of the airline industry and management bonus structure would not allow it.

I still maintain positive and I still believe, one day, we will stop outsourcing.

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Old 06-02-2011, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
In response to the last dozen or so posts: how many of you are still willing to let ALPA be the source of our legal and negotiating "expertise" going forward?

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Carl,

These days I am totally confused by DALPA's actions and throw around a lot of "what tha's" when I talk about them. I still don't believe it is an ALPA problem because:

1.) No one has ever told me if we "switched" and elected the same people for the new organization, how things would be different. &

2.) No one has explained why the new United ALPA can take much stronger positions than us on scope, pay, and operational issues, and we can't. (and their pilot group still tried to recall their leadership.)

I want to know what is going on with our people, and I'm about to address one of them -- or, at least what I believe to be the mindset -- right now.

Wish me luck.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Today, Delta is flying 3 757-300's and 2 757's from MSP to SEA. Some of those aircraft will fly with the Alaska code on it. If you are going to have a code share then both sides are going to have to have some benefits. Why would Alaska management or the Alaska pilots ever agree to a deal where Delta gets to "own" flying in their hubs, but Alaska doesn't get to "own" flying in their hubs.

Using your analogy, the Alaska pilots should be offended by all those A-330's and 767's flying out of their hub in Seattle.

If Delta did not have a code share, what is the chance that Alaska would not fly from MSP to SEA? We don't have a code share with American and I see them flying from MSP to DFW, ORD, and other hubs. Is that a Scope Failure?

alfa,

Like it or not, you, pineapple, and sailing or slow (I can't remember which one) are equated to be the ALPA insiders on APC, so forgive me if I confuse what one of you said earlier with what someone else said.

But, one of you told me that the reason Alaska was allowed to fly to Atlanta and Minneapolis from Seattle is because of scope language that NWA brought to the merger. If this is the case, pre-merger I NEVER remember seeing an Alaska airplane in Minneapolis. On the other hand, I do remember Alaska attempting to fly an NWA route (I can't remember which one), NWA pilots not being happy with it, and NWA responding by putting a daily 747-200 flight from SEA to ANC. Subsequently, Alaska Airlines changed their mind about flying the NWA route. (Maybe someone can refresh my memory on the details again. I'm getting old.)

Back then we flew EVERY flight between MSP and SEA and Alaska management and their pilots didn't have a problem with it. So, I'm not using analogies, I'm comparing the past to the present.

Presently, Alaska Airlines pilots are flying routes that we used to fly exclusively. In the past, they did not. So, presently I don't particularly care who would or should be offended by us doing the same flying out of the same places we used to fly out of now. What I do care about is what appears to be a loss of flying that we are more than capable of performing. If it is a loss of flying, the way I see it, we (DALPA) should be the offended ones. But, for some reason, we are not.

Obviously, something has changed. But, I wonder if it is the language and terms of our scope agreement or if it is the mindset of our DALPA leaders.

I just don't remember our scope agreement changing.

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Old 06-02-2011, 08:29 AM
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The voluntary early out program window is open....

Come on you guys, take the early out! Real life awaits you! Golf for free at any our our signature courses!


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Old 06-02-2011, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Carl,

These days I am totally confused by DALPA's actions and throw around a lot of "what tha's" when I talk about them. I still don't believe it is an ALPA problem because:

1.) No one has ever told me if we "switched" and elected the same people for the new organization, how things would be different. &

2.) No one has explained why the new United ALPA can take much stronger positions than us on scope, pay, and operational issues, and we can't. (and their pilot group still tried to recall their leadership.)

I want to know what is going on with our people, and I'm about to address one of them -- or, at least what I believe to be the mindset -- right now.

Wish me luck.
That has been by mindset from the get go. The mechanisms for change are in place within ALPA. Many want change but will not raise one finger for it. To date, I see many having issues with people locally and at National.

The famed conflict of interest has resulted, in the "See, right there." National does not do my bidding with my company, DALPA does, and that would not change with a new union.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
The voluntary early out program window is open....

Come on you guys, take the early out! Real life awaits you! Golf for free at any our our signature courses!

YouTube - ‪The Villages‬‏
Word I heard was 15 had signed up.

I can't see a whole lot taking it, and it's probably the folks who were going early anyway.

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Old 06-02-2011, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Word I heard was 15 had signed up.

I can't see a whole lot taking it, and it's probably the folks who were going early anyway.

Nu
10 of those must have been in NRT a few weeks ago.

I know a few who are waiting to see how bad the AE is going to be. (Displacements and base moves)
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
The voluntary early out program window is open....

Come on you guys, take the early out! Real life awaits you! Golf for free at any our our signature courses!

YouTube - ‪The Villages‬‏
Doctors said sexually transmitted diseases among senior citizens are running rampant at a popular Central Florida retirement community, according to a Local 6 News report.


A gynecologist at The Villages community near Orlando, Fla., said she treats more cases of herpes and the human papilloma virus in the retirement community than she did in the city of Miami.


"Yeah, they are very shocked (to hear the diagnosis)," gynecologist Dr. Colleen McQuade said. "I had a patient in her 80s."


"More and more senior citizens are ending up in the gynecologist office, and their diagnosis is a sexually transmitted disease," Local 6 reporter Vanessa Medina said.


Local 6 featured Louis Franklin, who used to date in the community at least three times a week.


"I have had a better dating life since I have been here than I have ever had," Franklin said. "I know there are things going around."
A doctor blamed Viagra, a lack of sex education and no risk for pregnancy for the spike in sexually transmitted diseases at The Villages.



"All I can repeat are the things I have heard which are things like, 'Should I bring the little blue pills over tonight?'" community singles group president Richard Matwyshen said.



Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.
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Hey FTB, edit my post to embed the video, please. I can't remember how.
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