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Actually... the original plan was to have two certificates - Chautauqua and Republic. Bedford could not get the Republic certificate up fast enough so he put United 170's on the Chautauqua operating certificate violating APA's scope. They sued and won a few million per month. Chautauqua then bought Shuttle America (Wexford Holding's owned Shuttle and Chautauqua) for a quick fix to the 170 scope problem. As soon as Shuttle was bought, the 170's were transferred immediately from Chautauqua to Shuttle America. Then Bedford signed a deal with Delta to fly 170's on the Shuttle America certificate. Next Bedford made a deal to buy the Mid Atlantic 170's that were configured to 72 seats. Under Delta's scope these could not be under any operating certificate flying the Delta code so he finished creating the Republic certificate and put them there. This all happened in less than four years. It truly is one airline with one pilot group and one CEO using 4 different operating certificates for the sole purpose of scope dodging.
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So, I was at Town Center Mall the other day with my 5 year old son, and we walked past a FYE that was having a big "Bieber Sale" complete with life sized cutouts, ridiculous posters, huge banners, the works.
My boy stopped dead in his tracks, looked at the store, made a man-sized sigh, and said, "Aagh. I hate that guy."
I've never been so proud....
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Shania and Kate pics came before the Berber baby pic.
Albeit I bet that kids rich. I heard Taylor Swift, while insiders say not the strongest of singers, is raking in something like $20M a year because she's not only the singer but the writer. Smart girl. And she owns the 13-21 year old market and 21+ who still think about 13-21.
I'll say this about musicians. When I did corporate charter flying I flew musicians/bands, baseball players, lots of basketball players, CEOs, COOs but never ever an NFL player. And believe it or not a single CFB player not even any from Ohio State!
I know its raw, its not fair, not right, live in glass house or actually crystal cathedral, blah blah blah.
fwiw, before satch comes out of his basement... it's been a year and nada...
Albeit I bet that kids rich. I heard Taylor Swift, while insiders say not the strongest of singers, is raking in something like $20M a year because she's not only the singer but the writer. Smart girl. And she owns the 13-21 year old market and 21+ who still think about 13-21.
I'll say this about musicians. When I did corporate charter flying I flew musicians/bands, baseball players, lots of basketball players, CEOs, COOs but never ever an NFL player. And believe it or not a single CFB player not even any from Ohio State!
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fwiw, before satch comes out of his basement... it's been a year and nada...
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Applying a Sunset clause to what DAL has already admitted, though the layering of these CPA's, is a lot easier. If there is a fight from them, it is not because of these jets, it is because there is somewhere in the back offices of these RJ manufacturers a plan to hang a gtf on a 76 seat jet if scope holds. Simply put demanding a sunset provision is good insurance, and makes DAL sign on the dotted line on what they have been saying all for quite some time about RJ's.
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If DAL cannot get the 717's en mass this will be our baby, and I expect a gigantic discount on it.
Paris Air Show starts June 20th. This is when announcements are more likely than not.
However, Delta's own economic team might have figured out early what the rest of the economic World seems to be figuring out today. .. that US GDP growth is less than expected. Typically the overall flying for Delta (us and the other 50%) correlates with national GDP pretty well. The eye popping figure is that Bombardier is getting 737NG money for these jets, $65 million for an early order that Bombardier needed desperately. This is around 20 to 25 million more than a E175 and nearly twice the cost of the CRJ super stretch. While this airplane is supposed to have great economics, that's a pile of capital expense.
Anyway, here's hope to those who would not miss flying a Douglas jet.
However, Delta's own economic team might have figured out early what the rest of the economic World seems to be figuring out today. .. that US GDP growth is less than expected. Typically the overall flying for Delta (us and the other 50%) correlates with national GDP pretty well. The eye popping figure is that Bombardier is getting 737NG money for these jets, $65 million for an early order that Bombardier needed desperately. This is around 20 to 25 million more than a E175 and nearly twice the cost of the CRJ super stretch. While this airplane is supposed to have great economics, that's a pile of capital expense.
Anyway, here's hope to those who would not miss flying a Douglas jet.
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If you look at DAL's own layering of these new DCI CPA's you will notice that they too admit that these jets have a quickly approaching expiration date. With Jets like the C-series on the way in the next three to five years, DAL in a way has show its hand. They know where the market is going. They have not said who will fly it, that is up to us, but they have told you what seat segment will be doing the Lion's Share of it. After the Pinnacle purchase of Mesaba, which had a 10 year agreement, everything else has been six year tops. Now within ever DCI CPA, there is a thinning of the fleets as well. Literally in the next ten year these current generation RJ's will be toast.
Applying a Sunset clause to what DAL has already admitted, though the layering of these CPA's, is a lot easier. If there is a fight from them, it is not because of these jets, it is because there is somewhere in the back offices of these RJ manufacturers a plan to hang a gtf on a 76 seat jet if scope holds. Simply put demanding a sunset provision is good insurance, and makes DAL sign on the dotted line on what they have been saying all for quite some time about RJ's.
Read below:
If DAL cannot get the 717's en mass this will be our baby, and I expect a gigantic discount on it.
Applying a Sunset clause to what DAL has already admitted, though the layering of these CPA's, is a lot easier. If there is a fight from them, it is not because of these jets, it is because there is somewhere in the back offices of these RJ manufacturers a plan to hang a gtf on a 76 seat jet if scope holds. Simply put demanding a sunset provision is good insurance, and makes DAL sign on the dotted line on what they have been saying all for quite some time about RJ's.
Read below:
If DAL cannot get the 717's en mass this will be our baby, and I expect a gigantic discount on it.
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