Very simple-like negotiating that everything about scope is to be defined on one page and one page only, as is the case at SW.

Reminds me of a thermodynamics class in college in which the prof said that you could take one 3 x 5 card into each test with any info, notes, equations, etc that you could fit on the front/back, heck, even sides. Well of course those of us who were "smart" figured we didn't need to really study prior to tests as we would simply write down everything we knew on the card the evening prior. As you can guess, panic quickly set in as about 1/4 of everything needed didn't fit AND our eyes usually hurt as we wrote so small, we couldn't read it anyway. During the the test, you could hear him chuckle as he looked around staring at all the confused souls trying to decipher what we each wrote on our cards, frantically trying to find various formulas.

06-01-2011, 02:08 PM

#67002

Check Essential

Works Every Weekend

Joined APC: Dec 2007

Position: 737 ATL

Posts: 3,506

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

The employees at Republic Holdings laugh at our scope. They have no worries at all about losing any flying from us.

They better not laugh at us.
We are 3'8" and 85 lbs. of lean mean scope machine. With a hat.

06-01-2011, 02:11 PM

#67003

Columbia

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Aug 2010

Posts: 2,530

Quote:

Originally Posted by Check Essential

They better not laugh at us.
We are 3'8" and 85 lbs. of lean mean scope machine. With a hat.

Yeah, but packing "heat."

06-01-2011, 02:12 PM

#67004

Bucking Bar

Can't abide NAI

Joined APC: Jun 2007

Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Posts: 12,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

ah, a buddy of mine from Auburn was jumpseating into EWR on another mainline airline, hint, and both pilots were anxious to catch their commutes. So anxious they had everything stowed away and were shooting the 22L ILS mostly from memory.

Right at the last second they got sent around and as they started the climb they requested vectors and the already swamped tower said no, fly the published.......... eh...... kind of hard to memorize climb to 500', turn right, continue to 3000' on 225 heading, fly inbound on the ARD 069 to KILMA and hold.

and no i don't believe that airplane had an FMS to display the missed.

So I got to learn a lesson at their expense.

Having been there and done that, they were shooting visual approaches to the 22's and set up a traffic conflict with a Lear arriving on 11. When they gave us the low energy go around & said "fly published" I reminded them we (and the airport) was shooting visuals, the was a 'doh and the frequency went dead. Checking the various "published" options, there was a pretty wide discrepancy and most would conflict with Kennedy traffic unless there was coordination. After we figured out our own procedure to avoid Kennedy's traffic a supervisor finally came on freq. gave us a turn and sent us out on the SBJ Newark 8. We had our airline's Fed on the Jumpseat. He asked us to ask for a tower #. We heard nothing further about it.

Lesson learned, don't assume Newark has any idea what they are doing. It's Jersey, remember. In my career at Delta 66% of no kidding missed approaches for traffic conflicts have been at Newark.

06-01-2011, 02:13 PM

#67005

Check Essential

Works Every Weekend

Joined APC: Dec 2007

Position: 737 ATL

Posts: 3,506

Quote:

Originally Posted by Columbia

Yeah, but packing "heat."

Yeah baby!

(if you look closely you can see the ALPA logo on those panties)

06-01-2011, 02:16 PM

#67006

Bucking Bar

Can't abide NAI

Joined APC: Jun 2007

Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Posts: 12,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Check Essential

They better not laugh at us.
We are 3'8" and 85 lbs. of lean mean scope machine. With a hat.

But, did you see who management sent to the table? Who could blame the guy for playing a little strip poker?

06-01-2011, 02:17 PM

#67007

Bucking Bar

Can't abide NAI

Joined APC: Jun 2007

Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Posts: 12,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Check Essential

Yeah baby!

(if you look closely you can see the ALPA logo on those panties)

Bill's lost a lot of weight. Is he doing that P90X thing?

06-01-2011, 02:27 PM

#67008

scambo1

The Brown Dot +1

Joined APC: Jun 2009

Position: 777B

Posts: 7,775

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesabah

I think the next scope battle will be the bait and switch. They'll return the jets for relief in the turboprop area, and it will be a huge mistake. The next gen turboprops will compete directly with jets.

The Q400 turboprop should be flown by mainline. Anyone who thinks turboprops are not going to be making a comeback does not understand their economics. I personally believe turboprops will be crossing the ocean with 300 pax on board in 20 years.