Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

From the most recent Council 74 update:
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Republic Air Holdings (RAH) Scope Issue

This is obviously a contentious issue for a majority of our pilots. During the MEC meeting, we had a very detailed briefing from our DALPA legal staff that explained the current scope language and how holding companies, such as RAH, fit into that language. A vigorous debate took place both in Delegate Committee and in plenary session. We accept the fact that RAH, as it is currently structured, does not violate the scope language in the PWA as currently written. But we also feel that we need to consider how we construct future language to protect the interests of Delta pilots.

Therefore, we amended our resolution to focus our attention on how we protect ourselves in the future. Also take a look at Resolution 11-95, which directs the MEC administration to do a financial analysis of flying done under the Delta brand.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I agree. Shuttle/CHQ meet our scope requirements because they are not a STS- but man the NMB did about everything they could to insinuate that they are.

I HOPE that "protect ourselves in the future" means changing the definition of air carrier to say holdings companies are automatically single transportation systems and therein overnight RAH would be in violation of our contract. Overnight AMR/AE might also be found to be STS, maybe not as they're not as intertwined as RAH.

Skywest/ASA/Coex would definitely be STS. And therein help SKW realize that if you pull an RAH we'll redlight you from this DCI gravy train so fast you won't even know you hit a trestle.

Originally Posted by dragon

What about just saying something simple in Section 1 like:

All Delta passengers will be flown by Delta Pilots.

Of course would have to nail down what a Delta passenger is and what a Delta pilot is and we would probably also have to nail down the meaning of what the word IS is.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I'm accepting the fact we're stuck playing T-Ball because we stand 3'8" tall and 85 lbs.

When we stand 6'3" and 205 lbs we'll swing for that fence and do what's best for this company by having every damn flight flown by us.

Originally Posted by dragon

So,

Where do we get the steroids/HGH to get to 6'3"?

Originally Posted by shiznit

See emphasis added!

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

May on the current generation of 76 seat jets, but who is to say some crazy manufacturer will not come up with a Next Gen 76 seat jet when they realize that the 100 seat segment will not be sold. The whole notion of fighting for all flying is a must. Sunset the current flying and bring it back in house as the CPA's expire. The protects against the unforeseen.

Again, of this generation. The economics will play out with all current generation aircraft, and our language does not currently protect against subsequent generations in the same seat segment. You could say economics are killing most current generation aircraft, ala 744.

Great idea but the trend needs to be reversed so that there is a tangible gain for them, not some chance at a maybe. Memories are short, and everyone is look at the last decade of blood, without realizing the economics behind it. We shall see where we are in a decade. Furthermore, the log jam at the majors needs to be freed for any true progress to be made. Sunset Clauses are a good insurance policy that given current economics, will mirror the companies current plans; aka, low cost to the pilot group.

Never. Same me one shame on you, shame me twice shame on me. We get what is coming if we fall for that again.

It should be simple, scope is not for sale. Delta pilots need to fly the small jets at market rates to get them back on property. Currently the 100 seat flying and the rates paid will fall along a linear line between the 76 seat jet and the 120 seat jets. The is no pilot benefit currently to off loading that flying to DCI. Of course moving debt is very important, and we as a union need to take the position, that we do not care how DAL structures their debt, rest assured we will be flying it. Our mission is simple, DAL pilots flying DAL and Skyteam passengers, leave the corporate shell games up to the execs.

Originally Posted by johnso29

I still don't see it!!!!