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05-28-2011, 07:18 PM
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Regarding RAH and a scope grievance, how is RAH/Frontier any different than AMR/Eagle? You code share with Eagle which is owned by AMR. In addition, you own CMR....I guess that makes the a single carrier with you two.
05-28-2011, 07:27 PM
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In answer to your psuedo question: no it doesn't because we haven't been declared a STS for pilot integration.
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05-28-2011, 07:42 PM
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05-28-2011, 07:44 PM
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BTW, how come the tailcone stayed on? I thought when VOL 2 said it was jettisoned it meant it was jettisoned? jet·ti·soned
tr.v. jet·ti·soned, jet·ti·son·ing, jet·ti·sons 1. To cast overboard or off : a ship jettisoning wastes; a pilot jettisoning aircraft fuel.
2. Informal To discard (something) as unwanted or burdensome : jettisoned the whole marketing plan.
n.1. The act of discarding or casting overboard.
2. Jetsam.
05-28-2011, 07:45 PM
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Domestic Alliances
We have entered into a marketing alliance with Alaska Airlines, which includes mutual codesharing and reciprocal frequent flyer and airport lounge access arrangements. Our alliance agreement with Alaska Airlines provides for extensive cooperation with respect to our west coast presence.
We also have frequent flyer and reciprocal lounge agreements with Hawaiian Airlines, and codesharing agreements with American Eagle Airlines (“American Eagle”) and Hawaiian Airlines. These marketing relationships are designed to permit the carriers to retain their separate identities and route networks while increasing the number of domestic and international connecting passengers using the carriers’ route networks. (page 3)
(page 4 under Regional Carriers)
With the exception of American Eagle and a portion of the flights operated for us by SkyWest Airlines as described below, these agreements are capacity purchase arrangements, under which we control the scheduling, pricing, reservations, ticketing and seat inventories for the regional carriers’ flights operating under our “DL” designator code, and we are entitled to all ticket, cargo, mail and in-flight and ancillary revenues associated with these flights. We pay those airlines an amount, as defined in the applicable agreement, which is based on a determination of their cost of operating those flights and other factors intended to approximate market rates for those services. These capacity purchase agreements are long-term agreements, usually with initial terms of at least 10 years, which grant us the option to extend the initial term. Certain of these agreements provide us the right to terminate the entire agreement, or in some cases remove some of the aircraft from the scope of the agreement, for convenience at certain future dates.
Our arrangements with American Eagle, limited to certain flights operated to and from the Los Angeles International Airport, as well as a portion of the flights operated for us by SkyWest Airlines, are structured as revenue proration agreements. These proration agreements establish a fixed dollar or percentage division of revenues for tickets sold to passengers traveling on connecting flight itineraries.
http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.ne...s/2010_10K.pdf Page 3-4
We have entered into a marketing alliance with Alaska Airlines, which includes mutual codesharing and reciprocal frequent flyer and airport lounge access arrangements. Our alliance agreement with Alaska Airlines provides for extensive cooperation with respect to our west coast presence.
We also have frequent flyer and reciprocal lounge agreements with Hawaiian Airlines, and codesharing agreements with American Eagle Airlines (“American Eagle”) and Hawaiian Airlines. These marketing relationships are designed to permit the carriers to retain their separate identities and route networks while increasing the number of domestic and international connecting passengers using the carriers’ route networks. (page 3)
(page 4 under Regional Carriers)
With the exception of American Eagle and a portion of the flights operated for us by SkyWest Airlines as described below, these agreements are capacity purchase arrangements, under which we control the scheduling, pricing, reservations, ticketing and seat inventories for the regional carriers’ flights operating under our “DL” designator code, and we are entitled to all ticket, cargo, mail and in-flight and ancillary revenues associated with these flights. We pay those airlines an amount, as defined in the applicable agreement, which is based on a determination of their cost of operating those flights and other factors intended to approximate market rates for those services. These capacity purchase agreements are long-term agreements, usually with initial terms of at least 10 years, which grant us the option to extend the initial term. Certain of these agreements provide us the right to terminate the entire agreement, or in some cases remove some of the aircraft from the scope of the agreement, for convenience at certain future dates.
Our arrangements with American Eagle, limited to certain flights operated to and from the Los Angeles International Airport, as well as a portion of the flights operated for us by SkyWest Airlines, are structured as revenue proration agreements. These proration agreements establish a fixed dollar or percentage division of revenues for tickets sold to passengers traveling on connecting flight itineraries.
http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.ne...s/2010_10K.pdf Page 3-4
What makes it different is RAH was ruled a single transportation service by the NMB for the purpose of integrating their respective seniority lists in to one. If AA and American Eagle are declared a STS for the same purpose and integrate their seniority lists then I would say they are the same. That hasn't been done.
In answer to your psuedo question: no it doesn't because we haven't been declared a STS for pilot integration.
Denny
In answer to your psuedo question: no it doesn't because we haven't been declared a STS for pilot integration.
Denny
National Mediation Board:
1. Ownership6. Conclusion
1. Ownership
a. All subsidiaries are wholly owned by RAH, but each holds its own FAA operating certificate.8 Management between the Carriers has already been integrated.
2. Managementa. The same Board of Directors and senior management team oversee all of the Carriers.
b. Bryan Bedford is the Chairman and CEO for all of the Carriers. He is also the President of RA, Shuttle, Chautauqua, and Frontier.9
c. Robert H. (Hal) Cooper is the Executive Vice President, CFO, Treasurer and Secretary
d. Wayne Heller is the Executive Vice President, COO for all the Carriers.
e. Ron Henson is the Vice President, Labor Relations
f. Kathy Wooldridge is the Vice President, Human Resources, for all the Carriers.
3. Controlb. Bryan Bedford is the Chairman and CEO for all of the Carriers. He is also the President of RA, Shuttle, Chautauqua, and Frontier.9
c. Robert H. (Hal) Cooper is the Executive Vice President, CFO, Treasurer and Secretary
d. Wayne Heller is the Executive Vice President, COO for all the Carriers.
e. Ron Henson is the Vice President, Labor Relations
f. Kathy Wooldridge is the Vice President, Human Resources, for all the Carriers.
a. RAH exercises control over the management, labor relations, and human resources functions of all of its subsidiaries including Pilot recruitment.
4. Marketinga. RAH holds out to the public that the Carriers are part of a consolidated entity as shown at its website, Republic Airways.
5. Schedulinga. While RAH’s business model is one that includes both “fixed-fee” and “branded” operations, its operations are consolidated and “branded” operations are commonly-scheduled under the Frontier brand.
i. For example, the route map available at Frontier and RAH’s websites provides that: “Flights are operated by Frontier, Lynx, Republic Airways, or Chautauqua Airlines.” In addition, RAH’s subsidiaries are presented on a consolidated basis for both financial reporting and operating performance. See Quarterly Financial Statement, August 9, 2010; September 2010 Press Release “Republic Airways Reports September 2010 Traffic.”
a. This type of consolidation of senior managers, personnel functions, and labor relations are often indicia of single transportation systems. See Atlas Air, Inc./Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc., 35 NMB 259, 269 (2008) (single system found in spite of separate operating certificates due in part to substantial overlap among Boards of Directors and senior managers).
b. RAH exercises control over the management, labor relations, and human resources functions of all of its subsidiaries including Pilot recruitment. Further, RAH holds out to the public that the Carriers are part of a consolidated entity as shown at its website, Republic Airways. While RAH’s business model is one that includes both “fixed-fee” and “branded” operations, its operations are consolidated and “branded” operations are commonly-scheduled under the Frontier brand. For example, the route map available at Frontier and RAH’s websites provides that: “Flights are operated by Frontier, Lynx, Republic Airways, or Chautauqua Airlines.” In addition, RAH’s subsidiaries are presented on a consolidated basis for both financial reporting and operating performance. See Quarterly Financial Statement, August 9, 2010; September 2010 Press Release “Republic Airways Reports September 2010 Traffic.”
b. RAH exercises control over the management, labor relations, and human resources functions of all of its subsidiaries including Pilot recruitment. Further, RAH holds out to the public that the Carriers are part of a consolidated entity as shown at its website, Republic Airways. While RAH’s business model is one that includes both “fixed-fee” and “branded” operations, its operations are consolidated and “branded” operations are commonly-scheduled under the Frontier brand. For example, the route map available at Frontier and RAH’s websites provides that: “Flights are operated by Frontier, Lynx, Republic Airways, or Chautauqua Airlines.” In addition, RAH’s subsidiaries are presented on a consolidated basis for both financial reporting and operating performance. See Quarterly Financial Statement, August 9, 2010; September 2010 Press Release “Republic Airways Reports September 2010 Traffic.”
When you look at it you truly struggle how anyone could say they're not STS- period?
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05-28-2011, 07:46 PM
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"Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"
BTW, how come the tailcone stayed on? I thought when VOL 2 said it was jettisoned it meant it was jettisoned? jet·ti·soned
tr.v. jet·ti·soned, jet·ti·son·ing, jet·ti·sons 1. To cast overboard or off : a ship jettisoning wastes; a pilot jettisoning aircraft fuel.
2. Informal To discard (something) as unwanted or burdensome : jettisoned the whole marketing plan.
n.1. The act of discarding or casting overboard.
2. Jetsam.
05-28-2011, 07:55 PM
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Glad it wasn't windy and that thing blew right back into the slide.
05-28-2011, 07:58 PM
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I'm so contemplating creating a new thread: "Why Delta Still Lives in the Dark Ages: Part II"
"Okay, let's start where we left off..."
BTW, I went to airliners.net, sometimes you'll see some insider stuff come out from there but most of the time you have to wade through
and this time is no different. I wish I had an account there but I am an airline pilot and won't pay cover charges. So I have to put up with not telling someone "we can't put the stairs down from inside the airplane? Really? News to me since we have a procedure on it."
BTW the procedure is very simple:
Take a flashlight, pull the handle but don't pull the handle that jettisons the tailcone.
Thank you,
Management.
"Okay, let's start where we left off..."
BTW, I went to airliners.net, sometimes you'll see some insider stuff come out from there but most of the time you have to wade through
and this time is no different. I wish I had an account there but I am an airline pilot and won't pay cover charges. So I have to put up with not telling someone "we can't put the stairs down from inside the airplane? Really? News to me since we have a procedure on it."
BTW the procedure is very simple:
Take a flashlight, pull the handle but don't pull the handle that jettisons the tailcone.
Thank you,
Management.
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05-28-2011, 08:08 PM
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05-28-2011, 08:09 PM
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