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05-28-2011, 02:37 PM
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.I blew a tire on landing in the 88 once. The degradation to braking effectiveness with one blown tire was very eye opening. Had to go back into heavy reverse thrust to get the aircraft stopped within the runway. And the braking effort with only one tire on that side resulted in substantial damage to the remaining tire. I could see this scenario easily resulting in a brake fire.
05-28-2011, 02:56 PM
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This article is not written well. And did anyone read the comments below the article? Why is it always the Microsoft flight simulator "pilots" that feel compelled to write grossly inaccurate comments on professional aviation issues? This accident is not just "pilot error" and the same as the Buffalo Colgon crash. Major contibuting factors to the accident were a design flaw in the Thales pitot tube and inadequate pilot training on Air Frances part to handle the malfunction.
It's basically a recap of the events in the cockpit and the performance of the aircraft.
05-28-2011, 02:56 PM
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3 injured and engine catches fire after MD-88 hard landing
MyFoxAtlanta.com
May 28: Fire crews work to douse the plane after a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
Three people were injured during a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport that caused the plane's engine to catch fire, according to MyFoxAtlanta.com.
Federal Aviation Administration Spokesperson Kathleen Bergen told the website Saturday that Delta flight 2284 from Pittsburgh was landing in Atlanta when its tire blew. This is what caused the fire.
Passengers quickly evacuated by using emergency slides and the backstairs.*
Fire crews used foam spray to douse the flames.*
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board will be investigating the incident.
MyFoxAtlanta.com
May 28: Fire crews work to douse the plane after a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
Three people were injured during a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport that caused the plane's engine to catch fire, according to MyFoxAtlanta.com.
Federal Aviation Administration Spokesperson Kathleen Bergen told the website Saturday that Delta flight 2284 from Pittsburgh was landing in Atlanta when its tire blew. This is what caused the fire.
Passengers quickly evacuated by using emergency slides and the backstairs.*
Fire crews used foam spray to douse the flames.*
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board will be investigating the incident.
05-28-2011, 03:11 PM
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3 injured and engine catches fire after MD-88 hard landing
MyFoxAtlanta.com
May 28: Fire crews work to douse the plane after a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
Three people were injured during a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport that caused the plane's engine to catch fire, according to MyFoxAtlanta.com.
Federal Aviation Administration Spokesperson Kathleen Bergen told the website Saturday that Delta flight 2284 from Pittsburgh was landing in Atlanta when its tire blew. This is what caused the fire.
Passengers quickly evacuated by using emergency slides and the backstairs.*
Fire crews used foam spray to douse the flames.*
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board will be investigating the incident.
MyFoxAtlanta.com
May 28: Fire crews work to douse the plane after a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
Three people were injured during a hard landing at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport that caused the plane's engine to catch fire, according to MyFoxAtlanta.com.
Federal Aviation Administration Spokesperson Kathleen Bergen told the website Saturday that Delta flight 2284 from Pittsburgh was landing in Atlanta when its tire blew. This is what caused the fire.
Passengers quickly evacuated by using emergency slides and the backstairs.*
Fire crews used foam spray to douse the flames.*
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board will be investigating the incident.
When it's tire blew, that's what caused the fire?
Um. What?
05-28-2011, 03:20 PM
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05-28-2011, 03:23 PM
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Just saw a clip on Fox News. Looks to me like a fire in the right main landing gear area and I could see passengers sliding down the tailcone slide. One report I saw indicated a blown tire on landing. I'm guessing a brake fire.
I blew a tire on landing in the 88 once. The degradation to braking effectiveness with one blown tire was very eye opening. Had to go back into heavy reverse thrust to get the aircraft stopped within the runway. And the braking effort with only one tire on that side resulted in substantial damage to the remaining tire. I could see this scenario easily resulting in a brake fire.
I blew a tire on landing in the 88 once. The degradation to braking effectiveness with one blown tire was very eye opening. Had to go back into heavy reverse thrust to get the aircraft stopped within the runway. And the braking effort with only one tire on that side resulted in substantial damage to the remaining tire. I could see this scenario easily resulting in a brake fire.
05-28-2011, 03:24 PM
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What is the "negative effect?" With the 76 seat scope grievance there could have been a negative effect to losing but I don't see how we have that situation here.
File the grievance and challenge that RAH is operating as a single carrier then mediate it and request clarification from the NMB on RAHs status.
If we lose the grievance we still have a big fight on scope in section 6 and it's becoming more and more apparent that it's a fight that DALPA is not going to fight at any time nor should we expect much in the way of a raise.
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How many articles has Delta Air Lines put out preparing pilots for lower expectations? How may has DALPA put out?
Council 44 stated publicly that they would inform their pilots when a decision had been made about the RAH issue. We still haven't heard a thing even though it now sounds like the MEC has made this another "dead issue" and the pilots are to be left in the dark about it.
File the grievance and challenge that RAH is operating as a single carrier then mediate it and request clarification from the NMB on RAHs status.
If we lose the grievance we still have a big fight on scope in section 6 and it's becoming more and more apparent that it's a fight that DALPA is not going to fight at any time nor should we expect much in the way of a raise.
(Off topic rant
)How many articles has Delta Air Lines put out preparing pilots for lower expectations? How may has DALPA put out?
Council 44 stated publicly that they would inform their pilots when a decision had been made about the RAH issue. We still haven't heard a thing even though it now sounds like the MEC has made this another "dead issue" and the pilots are to be left in the dark about it.
Also, from what I gathered, no "decision" has been made. Resolutions were passed and they need to wait for answers for some of those resolutions. I briefly talked to a rep about this, but it was among other subjects.
Seriously, call them, I plan to later this week.
05-28-2011, 03:30 PM
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The legal answer is that it DOES violate our Section 1 but we have not enforced it in the past with AA Eagle at LAX and the lawyers claim that "past practices" will doom us in the System Board. They might be right. But now we'll never know.
Management's argument:
How to Win Past Practice Grievances, Chapter One
Management's argument:
How to Win Past Practice Grievances, Chapter One
That may be it, I do not know. RJET is totally different than AMR Eagle, as it is a code share agreement, and Mesa, was a different animal completely. I know that there are some issues with the definition of "Air Carrier" and the intent of what an air carrier is, and it never being a holding company and only a certificate holder. I think it has less to do with precedence than the issue of the definition. Saying that RJET is acting like an air carrier is true, but until we get DOT backing that a holding company is an "air carrier" as well as a holding company, the legal answer may leave us dead in the water.
I do not agree with it, but then again, I am not a lawyer and they are the ones that tell us what latitude the definition, as currently defined, can give us. I am sure a independent lawyer would tell you the same thing if he/she was not trying to just steal your money.
From what I gather it is not for a lack of desire, and the decision will be one that the reps make, not one they are told to make. If you have been to a MEC meeting with the "ALPA" lawyers present, you would quickly realize that they present legal opinions based on all information available to them. They then ask the Reps how they want to proceed. It is not underhanded or scheming in any level. It actually is downright boring and take the wind out of many arguments very quickly. These lawyers have been doing labor law for a very long time. They want to see us win, trust me.
05-28-2011, 04:10 PM
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It was obviously a torque problem in the flux capacitor.
Clearly pilot error. Why else would the clutch be damaged?
05-28-2011, 04:25 PM
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