Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-28-2011, 09:26 AM
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05-28-2011, 09:49 AM
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Scary excerpt from AF447 BEA Report
When the captain returned to the cockpit, 1.5 minutes after the autopilot and auto-thrust had initially disengaged, the Airbus 330 was at 35,000 ft with an angle of attack greater than 40 degrees, losing altitude at 10,000 feet per minute, which is consistent with an aerodynamic condition known as deep stall in which the tail stalls, leaving the airplane in an aerodynamic state that may be a difficult or impossible from which to recover. Less than thirty seconds later, the co-pilot at the controls said, “I don’t have any more indications,” while the other co-pilot said, “we have no valid indications.”
When the captain returned to the cockpit, 1.5 minutes after the autopilot and auto-thrust had initially disengaged, the Airbus 330 was at 35,000 ft with an angle of attack greater than 40 degrees, losing altitude at 10,000 feet per minute, which is consistent with an aerodynamic condition known as deep stall in which the tail stalls, leaving the airplane in an aerodynamic state that may be a difficult or impossible from which to recover. Less than thirty seconds later, the co-pilot at the controls said, “I don’t have any more indications,” while the other co-pilot said, “we have no valid indications.”
Full report here: http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....mai2011.en.pdf
05-28-2011, 10:45 AM
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Good grief Alice. I just wanna know where you get all the numbers that make up the profitability or lack thereof which you used to do your back of the napkin math to state that the flight is profitable. Show me your work. Other than that, it's just weak conjecture on your part that the flight is profitable, much less that it is raking in money. Or I guess it could be that you have never heard of yield management?
05-28-2011, 10:57 AM
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Oh, that's right...airlines have lost more money than they've ever made since the inception of this ridiculous "business."
05-28-2011, 11:01 AM
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The legal answer is that it DOES violate our Section 1 but we have not enforced it in the past with AA Eagle at LAX and the lawyers claim that "past practices" will doom us in the System Board. They might be right. But now we'll never know.
Management's argument:
How to Win Past Practice Grievances, Chapter One
Management's argument:
How to Win Past Practice Grievances, Chapter One
It's like a pilot who's run an aircraft off the end of the runway twice telling you how to fly your plane. It makes no sense to say these are the best lawyers in the business when they wrote our section 1, a colossal jewel of what not to do, and then don't even bother to enforce it anyways.
Who in the hell does ALPA have as lawyers?!?!?
If they don't try or win this redefine the definition of air carrier so as to beat back RAH then I sure as hell hope nobody has the gall to tell us to do anything but demand we go to court and have them fired.
BTW, my counter to the American Eagle/AMR thing would be to say AE was never Delta Connection carrier other than to serve as a codeshare in the same vein as Hawaiian. According to the 10K AE is a revenue proration agreement and DCI's are capacity purchase agreements, enough for me to say they have always operated different then RAH.
05-28-2011, 11:10 AM
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Nosmo,
Yeah, for once I did just get in just under the wire (with TMobile)!
That article leaves me with more questions than answers..........
Denny
05-28-2011, 12:45 PM
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Trans states is planning to set up the same RAH/Frontier-esque operation with their MRJ orders. They will staff it with GoJets pilots, and now they have precedent that says its a-ok with major airline scope clauses and their respective unions to go ahead and run a self-branded operation that is funded by regional contracts with the very majors they compete against. That 100 seat geared turbo fan is coming to take your jobs, and you guys are sitting their with your thumbs up your asses because you have it so well.
"the union says nothin we can do, i guess we'll just do nothin"
.. no respect
"the union says nothin we can do, i guess we'll just do nothin"
.. no respect
05-28-2011, 12:50 PM
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Anybody heard anything about one of our DC-9's that had a fire in the tail today? My father in law just called to tell me he heard something about it on the news. I can't find anything. Maybe it was just NewK with the afterburners lit? 
05-28-2011, 12:51 PM
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Fox News is showing footage of an MD-88 that just landed in ATL with what sounds like a fire in the tail section. Tailcone is popped, and they're hosing it down. Pax evacuating, many pulling their rollaboards with them 
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05-28-2011, 01:22 PM
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This article is not written well. And did anyone read the comments below the article? Why is it always the Microsoft flight simulator "pilots" that feel compelled to write grossly inaccurate comments on professional aviation issues? This accident is not just "pilot error" and the same as the Buffalo Colgon crash. Major contibuting factors to the accident were a design flaw in the Thales pitot tube and inadequate pilot training on Air Frances part to handle the malfunction.
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