Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-24-2011, 04:46 PM
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05-24-2011, 05:16 PM
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I am pretty sure that earnings potential will have little.. if anything to do with it. That is a big variable over the course of a lifelong wedding. A 737 is a 737 is a 737... No career expectation there except the left seat of that. And I agree.. Airtran had business customers that SWA will send running for the exits... I hope we honor their frequent flier points and take that business away from SWA..
05-24-2011, 05:19 PM
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I am pretty sure that earnings potential will have little.. if anything to do with it. That is a big variable over the course of a lifelong wedding. A 737 is a 737 is a 737... No career expectation there except the left seat of that. And I agree.. Airtran had business customers that SWA will send running for the exits... I hope we honor their frequent flier points and take that business away from SWA..
I am calling you out man. Pull the pin, toss the grenade. You almost got luvjockey back in the food fight.
05-24-2011, 05:21 PM
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05-24-2011, 05:44 PM
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What's the big deal about 88 B717s vs. approximately 200 old 737-300/500s? The 717 pays the same as a 737 at ATN and it's very comparable to a 737. Sure someone can claim that the 737 is a "super premium" narrow body, but its still a narrow body aircraft and certainly not a game changer over a 717.
05-24-2011, 05:49 PM
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Last year I took my family and the neighbors to the holiday inn resort on front beach road at panama city beach. I called between 9-5 m-f and talked to the reservation agent at the hotel. We got two rooms for $70 a night with our airline discount. I joined the priority club and got a few free cocktails each night. The regular rate was $200+ a night. Its right on the beach, water park for the kids, game room, karaoke, and other kids activities. Liquor store across the street for cheap florida booze for mom and dad. Lots of cheap fun for a quick getaway.
Our other adventures take us to Tybee island. The beach on the south side is fun. We drag a cooler full of beer to the beach and watch the kiddo's swim.
Last weekend was spent camping at westpoint lake with the boat floating 20' away from the tent!!! The lake is nice and warm now. There are a couple good sandy beaches. One at pyne road park and the other is on cameron mill road.
Our other adventures take us to Tybee island. The beach on the south side is fun. We drag a cooler full of beer to the beach and watch the kiddo's swim.
Last weekend was spent camping at westpoint lake with the boat floating 20' away from the tent!!! The lake is nice and warm now. There are a couple good sandy beaches. One at pyne road park and the other is on cameron mill road.
Pool is nice, kiddie pool is great for little ones, and the indoor pool was too cold. Rooms were kind of small in the tower (circle type of deal) but they had a microwave and a a 36 inch fridge which always comes in handy with the kiddos.
Overall it is a plus with kids. I have stayed in the Hilton in Sand Destin as well. It is very nice but you are looking at well over 150-250 a night unless there is some freak event and there are tons of rooms available. It had a great buffet, and all of the furnishings a three/four star property normally have. We called down there over Mother's Day weekend a few years ago and got rooms for 59 a night. I tried that for summer and they were booked.
The mommies like Destin since there is plenty of shopping and decent restaurants to go to at night.
There are a lot of places to go within five hrs of ATL.
05-24-2011, 06:35 PM
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Are you sure about that? I think I've asked you this question before. At SWA, a domestic narrowbody Captain is currently averaging over $230K/year and averaging over 18 days off per month. If you look at our C2K MD-88 Captain rate, assume an average 75 hours/month, and adjust for inflation, that same MD-88 Captain would be making $250k/year today. I realize what you said has been the conventional wisdom around here, but I'm not so sure it's accurate. Doesn't sound to me like SWA was all that far behind us, even when we had C2K. And then when you factor in that our domestic narrowbody Captains have been making about $100K LESS per year than a SWA domestic narrowbody Captain for the past SIX YEARS... well, that sure doesn't put them in the "also-rans" category, and we would have to get one heck of a kick @ss restoration-plus-a-whole-bunch contract to even make up enough ground to catch up with them. And with DALPA not even talking restoration, how do you see that working out for ya?
05-24-2011, 06:49 PM
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DAL;
Keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the DB, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect SWA plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.
I also expect SWA's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.
Keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the DB, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect SWA plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.
I also expect SWA's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.
05-24-2011, 06:56 PM
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DAL;
Keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the DB, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect SWA plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.
I also expect SWA's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.
Keep beating the drum. Folks have to let their reps know what their expectations are. Without the DB, it is an awful lot easier to compare apples to apples. I do expect SWA plus (in terms of total compensation w-2, + 401 + all cash/non-cash pay variables) for domestic narrowbody, graduated by guage upward.
I also expect SWA's scope. Ok, strong movement toward it.
Note to all: Make a Top 10 "want list" (bullet points). The P2P guys were told to start collecting and passing them on, I was asked and did one last rotation.
05-24-2011, 06:58 PM
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Are you sure about that? I think I've asked you this question before. At SWA, a domestic narrowbody Captain is currently averaging over $230K/year and averaging over 18 days off per month. If you look at our C2K MD-88 Captain rate, assume an average 75 hours/month, and adjust for inflation, that same MD-88 Captain would be making $250k/year today. I realize what you said has been the conventional wisdom around here, but I'm not so sure it's accurate. Doesn't sound to me like SWA was all that far behind us, even when we had C2K. And then when you factor in that our domestic narrowbody Captains have been making about $100K LESS per year than a SWA domestic narrowbody Captain for the past SIX YEARS... well, that sure doesn't put them in the "also-rans" category, and we would have to get one heck of a kick @ss restoration-plus-a-whole-bunch contract to even make up enough ground to catch up with them. And with DALPA not even talking restoration, how do you see that working out for ya?
SWA has never lead the industry in any monetary capacity for crew! They have always been one step behind the legacy carriers and when said legacy carriers gave concessions SWA did not. That alone put them ahead on pay rates not any strategic negotiating by SWAPA! The only thing I would have ever wanted in their contracts and the current one included is the SCOPE section.
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