Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-12-2011, 11:38 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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As one of the 200 or so who’s getting less DC than everyone else… It’s not right; it’s not fair. It was something that fell through the crack, and I guess it was too late to fix it when they noticed that error. So, it wasn’t like they screw us on purpose. When I heard that we’d merge, I fully expected that I’d be on the street. I didn’t expect that I was ganna get equity shares. Life turned out OK. So, we have this glitch that pays us a bit less, but we’ll definitely get that fixed in 2012. Until then, I’ll suck it up for the unity. I think the unity thing start with ALL of us saying little bit less of “me, me, me.” JMHO
Although already mentioned, talking to the merger folks it's pretty clear this issue was brought up too late. Someone dropped the ball and to have fixed it at the end of negotiations with the contract in place would've opened other parts to be reviewed which would've caused other parts to be opened and so forth. So both sides agreed to let it go as is.
But given how this shook out for the 200 NWA pilots I think it should be changed.
05-12-2011, 11:51 PM
Da Hudge
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The old, "If you don't like it, you can leave" response.
I've always hated that proposition.
The world gets better because people don't like things, voice their displeasure, then rally around making change.
Find another gig? Live longer?
I'm glad George Washington, John Adams and the rest of the Framers didn't take similar advice.
I've always hated that proposition.
The world gets better because people don't like things, voice their displeasure, then rally around making change.
Find another gig? Live longer?
I'm glad George Washington, John Adams and the rest of the Framers didn't take similar advice.
05-13-2011, 02:47 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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I here ya, I was glad to have a seniority number because I fully expected to be furloughed. One of the reasons I chose the ER off the bat was that I said "I'll get to fly the 88 when I come off furlough anyways so do the 767 for fun..." And to date still not furloughed.
Although already mentioned, talking to the merger folks it's pretty clear this issue was brought up too late. Someone dropped the ball and to have fixed it at the end of negotiations with the contract in place would've opened other parts to be reviewed which would've caused other parts to be opened and so forth. So both sides agreed to let it go as is.
But given how this shook out for the 200 NWA pilots I think it should be changed.
Although already mentioned, talking to the merger folks it's pretty clear this issue was brought up too late. Someone dropped the ball and to have fixed it at the end of negotiations with the contract in place would've opened other parts to be reviewed which would've caused other parts to be opened and so forth. So both sides agreed to let it go as is.
But given how this shook out for the 200 NWA pilots I think it should be changed.
Thats about how I understood that it happened too.
05-13-2011, 03:06 AM
Can't abide NAI
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As reported in the papers this morning:
Ramp 6E. Sounds like passengers are fine. Hopefully minimal damage to jets and jobs.
ATLANTA -- A Delta Air Lines Boeing 737 taxiing to a gate clipped the tail of a neighboring 737 Thursday evening at Hartsfield Jackson International Airport.
Delta flight 552 was a Boeing 737 ariving from Tegucigalpa, Honduras, with 50 passengers and 5 crew members. It was taxiing to its gate when its wing clipped the tail of Delta flight 566, a Boeing 737, which had just arrived from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. That flight was sitting in the taxiway waiting to pull into its gate.
The final destination for both flights was Atlanta.
Delta officials said no one was hurt, and there was no smoke or flames from either airplane.
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the mishap.
Delta flight 552 was a Boeing 737 ariving from Tegucigalpa, Honduras, with 50 passengers and 5 crew members. It was taxiing to its gate when its wing clipped the tail of Delta flight 566, a Boeing 737, which had just arrived from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. That flight was sitting in the taxiway waiting to pull into its gate.
The final destination for both flights was Atlanta.
Delta officials said no one was hurt, and there was no smoke or flames from either airplane.
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the mishap.
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05-13-2011, 04:10 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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With regard to the 401k for the Northwest new guys, there was a previous resolution which was "received" or denied so it we did try to fix it earlier but already met some resistance. I spoke with one of our reps in DTW and he said that they didn't think we would hire anyone before the merger so we were kindof lost between the cracks. Hopefully this time it will go thru
05-13-2011, 05:17 AM
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Not trying to really enter this fray even though I am one of the roughly 200 affected by this, but I have to enter my two bits as I've heard this a lot. The nice pay raise your telling us to be thankful for really didn't apply that much to us (the forgotten 200). If I were a block holder I couldn't disagree with you, but as we were the bottom 200 guys on the PMNW seniority list we were mostly stuck with reserve. NWA paid us 75 hrs min guarantee on reserve and then after the switchover DAL gave us 70. I've basically been getting min guarantee my entire tenure here (~3.5 yrs) since I think I've broken min guarantee only twice and even then not by more than 3 hrs. Not getting an extra five hrs of pay a month waters down the 'pay raise' quite a bit until you can be a block holder. Thx again age 65.
Not complaining as all of this is better than my previous gig, but am just trying to add some perspective.
Not complaining as all of this is better than my previous gig, but am just trying to add some perspective.
05-13-2011, 05:18 AM
Back on TDY
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The old, "If you don't like it, you can leave" response.
I've always hated that proposition.
The world gets better because people don't like things, voice their displeasure, then rally around making change.
Find another gig? Live longer?
I'm glad George Washington, John Adams and the rest of the Framers didn't take similar advice.
I've always hated that proposition.
The world gets better because people don't like things, voice their displeasure, then rally around making change.
Find another gig? Live longer?
I'm glad George Washington, John Adams and the rest of the Framers didn't take similar advice.
FWIW, many of us northies' biggest problem is what has happened to our operation. We were almost always at the top of the list for ontime arrivals, and exceedingly operationally efficient. We were always in the upper middle of customer satisfaction and won first place nearly every year from customers for our website. Now we are the most complained about airline by our customers and near the bottom for ontime arrivals and other metrics.
The above aren't complaints...they are simply facts. Now when you add to this the fact that many north managers were removed from their positions for trying to add our expertise to the operation, it doesn't exactly create a high morale situation.
Don't know how many northies agree with my analysis, but I know it's the feelings of many.
Carl
05-13-2011, 05:23 AM
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Excellent post newK and spot on.
FWIW, many of us northies' biggest problem is what has happened to our operation. We were almost always at the top of the list for ontime arrivals, and exceedingly operationally efficient. We were always in the upper middle of customer satisfaction and won first place nearly every year from customers for our website. Now we are the most complained about airline by our customers and near the bottom for ontime arrivals and other metrics.
The above aren't complaints...they are simply facts. Now when you add to this the fact that many north managers were removed from their positions for trying to add our expertise to the operation, it doesn't exactly create a high morale situation.
Don't know how many northies agree with my analysis, but I know it's the feelings of many.
Carl
FWIW, many of us northies' biggest problem is what has happened to our operation. We were almost always at the top of the list for ontime arrivals, and exceedingly operationally efficient. We were always in the upper middle of customer satisfaction and won first place nearly every year from customers for our website. Now we are the most complained about airline by our customers and near the bottom for ontime arrivals and other metrics.
The above aren't complaints...they are simply facts. Now when you add to this the fact that many north managers were removed from their positions for trying to add our expertise to the operation, it doesn't exactly create a high morale situation.
Don't know how many northies agree with my analysis, but I know it's the feelings of many.
Carl
I really hope things turn around, as I'm sure you do to. And I certainly agree that the "not invented here" is sometimes used but shouldn't be.
05-13-2011, 05:24 AM
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Sorry, I meant to say 8%. DAL pays 8% out for every NWA guy. But the targeting guys 8% gets dumped into the targeting plan and then redistributed to individuals using that plan's methodology. For some that means very little, and for others it means a lot. But the average is 8% to all involved in targeting. Since you are outside targeting, you get a flat 8% every paycheck.
05-13-2011, 05:26 AM
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I'm amazed at how poorly Delta handles irregular ops. It is amazing to me that we have Delta pilots finding their own rooms at layovers, sitting in airports for hours on end with no future schedules. I had a plane break at an outstation recently. I knew the aircraft would be delayed for at least 6-7 hours. Operation control puts the delay at 4:45 when we talked to them. I feel like they did it just to keep us from getting hotel rooms. They then would push the delay back every few hours resulting in over 8 hours in the airport. Things like this bother me. It's small, but it bothers me. We work at a good airline. This place is far from great. I'm amazed at how many Delta pilots just accept things like this as they are.
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