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Old 05-12-2011, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

BINGO! You got the merger equity shares by agreeing to the PWA and SLI. And a part of that comprehensive package was the flat DC and a nice pay raise.
Not trying to really enter this fray even though I am one of the roughly 200 affected by this, but I have to enter my two bits as I've heard this a lot. The nice pay raise your telling us to be thankful for really didn't apply that much to us (the forgotten 200). If I were a block holder I couldn't disagree with you, but as we were the bottom 200 guys on the PMNW seniority list we were mostly stuck with reserve. NWA paid us 75 hrs min guarantee on reserve and then after the switchover DAL gave us 70. I've basically been getting min guarantee my entire tenure here (~3.5 yrs) since I think I've broken min guarantee only twice and even then not by more than 3 hrs. Not getting an extra five hrs of pay a month waters down the 'pay raise' quite a bit until you can be a block holder. Thx again age 65.

Not complaining as all of this is better than my previous gig, but am just trying to add some perspective.
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Eck4Life
Not trying to really enter this fray even though I am one of the roughly 200 affected by this, but I have to enter my two bits as I've heard this a lot. The nice pay raise your telling us to be thankful for really didn't apply that much to us (the forgotten 200). If I were a block holder I couldn't disagree with you, but as we were the bottom 200 guys on the PMNW seniority list we were mostly stuck with reserve. NWA paid us 75 hrs min guarantee on reserve and then after the switchover DAL gave us 70. I've basically been getting min guarantee my entire tenure here (~3.5 yrs) since I think I've broken min guarantee only twice and even then not by more than 3 hrs. Not getting an extra five hrs of pay a month waters down the 'pay raise' quite a bit until you can be a block holder. Thx again age 65.

Not complaining as all of this is better than my previous gig, but am just trying to add some perspective.
Well put Eck. But I don't think all of the blame can be assigned to the age 65 thing. And let me weigh in with a little perspective from the south. Prior to the merger, I was a lineholder and averaging 78-80 hours a month. Since the merger, I've been pushed into reserve and have only broken the min guarantee twice. So, as a 2001 hire, I've taken a pretty significant pay cut as well.

As is always the case in mergers, most of us have taken a step back in our quality of life. I think most of us, with the exception of the top, most senior guys, have taken a short term hit. Keep your eye on the ball. Neither side has enjoyed a windfall.
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Eck4Life
Not trying to really enter this fray even though I am one of the roughly 200 affected by this, but I have to enter my two bits as I've heard this a lot. The nice pay raise your telling us to be thankful for really didn't apply that much to us (the forgotten 200). If I were a block holder I couldn't disagree with you, but as we were the bottom 200 guys on the PMNW seniority list we were mostly stuck with reserve. NWA paid us 75 hrs min guarantee on reserve and then after the switchover DAL gave us 70. I've basically been getting min guarantee my entire tenure here (~3.5 yrs) since I think I've broken min guarantee only twice and even then not by more than 3 hrs. Not getting an extra five hrs of pay a month waters down the 'pay raise' quite a bit until you can be a block holder. Thx again age 65.

Not complaining as all of this is better than my previous gig, but am just trying to add some perspective.
Just out of curiosity, what was your hourly rate X 75 hours vs what you make now X 70 hours? What is the difference?
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You have either forgotten or simply are choosing to omit the ongoing funding requirements for the NWA defined benefit plan. That is the reason there was no parity at Day 1. The funding requirements are huge for the DB plan. When all the NWA pilots are on the same DC plan as the Delta pilots there will still be a large funding requirement to the DB plan. In the end the former NWA pilots will be getting a larger share of each dollar Delta spends for pilot retirements.
Your company and Mr. Lee Moak wrote the deal so live with it and don't complain to us about who has what. As a fNWA guy it pretty much s**ks here at the great DAL operation.
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:08 PM
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What was the hire date of the 200 guys who are affected by this issue?

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Old 05-12-2011, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
What was the hire date of the 200 guys who are affected by this issue?

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Doesn't really matter as they are not RD guys. If they were it would probably be corrected. But there are no second class citizens here in the DELTA world.
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
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Just out of curiosity, what was your hourly rate X 75 hours vs what you make now X 70 hours? What is the difference?
Get your calculator out man. Its huge. No way a small pay raise comes close to making up the difference. But, we have proven the huge pay raises according to many on here as the truth that it was pretty much a wash because of the crappy work rules that we now have.
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
Doesn't really matter as they are not RD guys. If they were it would probably be corrected. But there are no second class citizens here in the DELTA world.

Good Point!
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
If you go to your time card in iCrew you will see down at the bottom something like "APD available for use: Y (or N)"

This means you haven't used your ONE Authorized drop for this employment year. As someone else mentioned PD's are unlimited, but must have adequate reserve coverage for every day that you want to drop.

To check reserve coverage in iCrew:

Go to Open Time
Click on the bottom option; I think it's Reserve Availability or something like that

If the day is Blue, then you have adequate coverage and the drop should go through. If the required vs. available is even close you still may get it, due to the PCS churn of each run. PCS runs 2 iterations each time it runs to allow for your request to be processed to the max extent possible. For example, you want the 20th off and the coverage is currently -1. 2 more pilots want the 22nd off and they are willing to trade the 20th to get it. After the first iteration of PCS these pilots may be awarded their swap and now your day is +1 for coverage. Voila, you have the 20th off during the 2nd iteration of the same PCS run.

From personal experience I would say you want to get your most important reserve day swaps/drops in for the first PCS run of the month. I believe the 0700 run on the 20th of every month. This way you have given yourself the best chance of getting it approved.

There are many other requirements such as min days on, max off blocks, etc that play into this. If your request is not approved, you can check the status of it, via the PCS link in iCrew and it will give you a reason (albeit sometimes cryptic) as to why the trade wasn't approved.

Also, I don't know if someone mentioned it yet or not, but your ONE APD only requires 25% of the required coverage to be approved - holidays listed in the PWA are the exception.
Thanks for posting. I have not used the APD or PD.
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
Doesn't really matter as they are not RD guys. If they were it would probably be corrected. But there are no second class citizens here in the DELTA world.
Never mind. I grow tired of this crap.
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