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05-03-2011, 07:48 AM
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Vacation Move-up?
Hey Guys,
When do they process vacation move up requests? Also does moving your primary vacation carry more weight than you secondary? Thanks
AP
When do they process vacation move up requests? Also does moving your primary vacation carry more weight than you secondary? Thanks
AP
05-03-2011, 07:59 AM
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They process move ups on the 5th (bids close on the 1st). I have been told as well that moving your primary trumps someone moving their secondary (or lower).
From page 7-4:
b. Vacation move-ups will be awarded in seniority order with the following priority:
1) Pilots requesting to change a primary vacation.
2) Pilots requesting to change a secondary vacation.
3) Pilots requesting to change a tertiary vacation.
4) Pilots requesting to change a quaternary vacation.
From page 7-4:
b. Vacation move-ups will be awarded in seniority order with the following priority:
1) Pilots requesting to change a primary vacation.
2) Pilots requesting to change a secondary vacation.
3) Pilots requesting to change a tertiary vacation.
4) Pilots requesting to change a quaternary vacation.
05-03-2011, 08:10 AM
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As one who has spent about half of my time at DAL on reserve, and the other half with a line, our reserve system blows. Its a huge pay cut, little to no control to alleviate that dramatic loss in pay, and constant uncertainty. If a trip is in open time, let the reserve guys pick it up. Its open for a reason. And short call, don't get me started. I don't mind sitting it, because I live in base (or a semblance thereof), but I can imagine what a pain it must be for guys that commute. Finally, if a regular guy and a reserve guy fly the same trip, pay them the same. Its ludicrous that one makes more credit than the other for precisely the same duty. Where did that policy come from?
My next contract priorities: 1) scope, 2) pay, and 3) revamp the reserve system. ASAP.
I'm out....and Bin Laden is still dead!
My next contract priorities: 1) scope, 2) pay, and 3) revamp the reserve system. ASAP.
I'm out....and Bin Laden is still dead!
Our reserve system always had screwy policies. Some would benefit the Pilots some would screw the Pilots. When these all balanced out reserve was not too bad. The problem is, in the post BK environment all the policies that benefit the pilots have been discontinued.
One example of a pro-pilot policy was dropping reserve days. On contract 96 (Not sure when it actually started) if you dropped a reserve day for MIL (I assume straight drops were the same) your pay would be pro-rated 1/30 or 1/31. So you could drop all 18 of your reserve days and still get paid 12/30 or 13/30th of your paycheck without any obligation. When we had stuff like this it was easy to overlook the different duty rigs for reserve and line holders. Now, not so much.
Scoop - OBTW your contract 2012 priorities are spot on!
05-03-2011, 08:24 AM
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New;
ALK and RJET share the a single threat; They both can be used though holding companies to our maneuver us and the limits of our section one. We must effectively stand up and state, that Holding Company shell games are under the umbrella of our PWA. If not, the down side could be very severe.
ALK and RJET share the a single threat; They both can be used though holding companies to our maneuver us and the limits of our section one. We must effectively stand up and state, that Holding Company shell games are under the umbrella of our PWA. If not, the down side could be very severe.
Here why I think Alaska is a bigger threat to us than RJET:
They both share the threat to take our flying.
But, there are no rumors out there that we might merge with RJET.
Let's say in response to increased flying to fly their DL codeshare, Alaska hires a few hundred pilots to add to a 1,300 pilot seniority list, and we later merge with them? A new hire could move up 10-20% in relative seniority fairly quickly on such a small list.
What does that do to our SLI position as Delta pilots? I can't say for sure, but whatever it does, it wouldn't be good for us. Especially, since SLI arbitrators continue to merge seniority list by ratio.
I'm watching what Alaska does and RAH does with equal intensity. But, I can see where Alaska growth has more of a potential to harm us.
See where I'm coming from?
05-03-2011, 08:28 AM
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It happened
<DISCLAIMER: This is not intended to evolve into a North v. South debate.>
I'm just trying to get my memory straight.
At NWA, does anyone remember Alaska starting a route to one of our hubs (SEA-MSP???) then NWA retaliating by putting a 747-200 on SEA-ANC?
Did that happen, or am I "misremembering" that?
I'm just trying to get my memory straight.
At NWA, does anyone remember Alaska starting a route to one of our hubs (SEA-MSP???) then NWA retaliating by putting a 747-200 on SEA-ANC?
Did that happen, or am I "misremembering" that?
05-03-2011, 08:32 AM
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acl,
Here why I think Alaska is a bigger threat to us than RJET:
They both share the threat to take our flying.
But, there are no rumors out there that we might merge with RJET.
Let's say in response to increased flying to fly their DL codeshare, Alaska hires a few hundred pilots to add to a 1,300 pilot seniority list, and we later merge with them? A new hire could move up 10-20% in relative seniority fairly quickly on such a small list.
What does that do to our SLI position as Delta pilots? I can't say for sure, but whatever it does, it wouldn't be good for us. Especially, since SLI arbitrators continue to merge seniority list by ratio.
I'm watching what Alaska does and RAH does with equal intensity. But, I can see where Alaska growth has more of a potential to harm us.
See where I'm coming from?
Here why I think Alaska is a bigger threat to us than RJET:
They both share the threat to take our flying.
But, there are no rumors out there that we might merge with RJET.
Let's say in response to increased flying to fly their DL codeshare, Alaska hires a few hundred pilots to add to a 1,300 pilot seniority list, and we later merge with them? A new hire could move up 10-20% in relative seniority fairly quickly on such a small list.
What does that do to our SLI position as Delta pilots? I can't say for sure, but whatever it does, it wouldn't be good for us. Especially, since SLI arbitrators continue to merge seniority list by ratio.
I'm watching what Alaska does and RAH does with equal intensity. But, I can see where Alaska growth has more of a potential to harm us.
See where I'm coming from?
05-03-2011, 08:51 AM
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I have a scheduling question. I am on NOE waiting for my OE, but this month I bid my reserve line and got the 1-13 as X days. Can they schedule me for an OE during my X Days?
05-03-2011, 08:52 AM
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05-03-2011, 09:06 AM
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acl,
Here why I think Alaska is a bigger threat to us than RJET:
They both share the threat to take our flying.
But, there are no rumors out there that we might merge with RJET.
Let's say in response to increased flying to fly their DL codeshare, Alaska hires a few hundred pilots to add to a 1,300 pilot seniority list, and we later merge with them? A new hire could move up 10-20% in relative seniority fairly quickly on such a small list.
What does that do to our SLI position as Delta pilots? I can't say for sure, but whatever it does, it wouldn't be good for us. Especially, since SLI arbitrators continue to merge seniority list by ratio.
I'm watching what Alaska does and RAH does with equal intensity. But, I can see where Alaska growth has more of a potential to harm us.
See where I'm coming from?
Here why I think Alaska is a bigger threat to us than RJET:
They both share the threat to take our flying.
But, there are no rumors out there that we might merge with RJET.
Let's say in response to increased flying to fly their DL codeshare, Alaska hires a few hundred pilots to add to a 1,300 pilot seniority list, and we later merge with them? A new hire could move up 10-20% in relative seniority fairly quickly on such a small list.
What does that do to our SLI position as Delta pilots? I can't say for sure, but whatever it does, it wouldn't be good for us. Especially, since SLI arbitrators continue to merge seniority list by ratio.
I'm watching what Alaska does and RAH does with equal intensity. But, I can see where Alaska growth has more of a potential to harm us.
See where I'm coming from?
Simply put, anything with the DAL code, and or managed in some way by DAL Holdings and or DAL airlines is bound by our section one. This stance would include anything DAL Holdings chooses to do, which may include DAL Air Elite, Sky Team, A stake in a foreign carrier, etc. Remember I am talking about a holding company, not an airline.
Currently DAL Airlines owns DAL holdings, but a simple paperwork filing can change that Org Chart.
Wrt to ALK, I agree that the best solution for the DAL pilots to acquire ALK before they buy an airline like Hawaiian and then have WB expectations. That frankly would hurt our career the most.
Wrt to RJET, frankly nothing surprises me any more, and I see them as trying to make themselves attractive to the majors. In any outcome, our Section One and PWA as a whole needs to transcend the airline itself and hold a holding company and a alliance to its limits.
05-03-2011, 09:19 AM
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My question is how do we get the word out? If every DAL poster and the lurkers here influenced ten non-APC types, would that be enough to move scope up the priority list of the majority? I think more and more are becoming aware of it, but is it enough that we can throw back the juicy payrates and scope giveaway we may be handed by ALPA next year?
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