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Old 04-28-2011, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Now let's move to the question of ALPA's "expert" lawyers: Do those lawyers state FACTS, or do they state OPINIONS?
It's my understanding they are stating facts.

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Second question: Do neutral arbitrators and judges state opinions, or do they issue RULINGS?
Rulings.

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Last question: Why does ALPA not want to seek the ruling of a judge, and instead, hang their hats on OPINIONS?
Because if the facts are clear, sending it to a judge is a waste of MY dues.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:17 PM
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An innocent man accused of murder hired a high priced lawyer to defend him. The lawyer did not provide him an adequate defense...which one went to jail?
Guess I'm too dense to understand your analogy. Try again.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:18 PM
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Carl, I have a question for you. Seriously. If a bunch of lawyers sat around on greedylawyer.com and critiqued how it was obvious to them that the pilot on their last leg was a screw up, and should have gone around because he flew through windshear (for example), but the captain, and co pilot, and LCA jumpseater all said it wasn't windshear, what would you say? And who would you believe? The lawyers sitting in the back with zero flying experience, or the three professional pilots on the flight deck?

These lawyers, with NO FLYING EXPERIENCE, were convinced the 3 pilots were wrong. Who you gonna believe?

Just curious.
It doesn't matter who Carl believes, it only matters who the judge or jury would believe.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:19 PM
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Can one of you airplane counter guys give us another update on how many more RJs can come onboard before the contractual limit is reached? I think its pretty obvious they are trying to hit that limit before contract time. Sometimes it's nice to look at the syringe and see how many cc's are left while you are being injected. From what I remember there is still a fair amount left. Thanks.
I think about 8 more 70 seaters are allowed. Guaranteed they are gonna max it out prior to negotiations.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:20 PM
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It's my understanding they are stating facts.
Wrong. Lawyers give you opinions.

Oh, and those "new" 170s that we just signed for today aren't new at all. They are simply being shifted from another certificate. I'm eagerly awaiting the ALPA lawyer's opinion on this.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:31 PM
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Wrong. Lawyers give you opinions.

Oh, and those "new" 170s that we just signed for today aren't new at all. They are simply being shifted from another certificate. I'm eagerly awaiting the ALPA lawyer's opinion on this.
Very good 80!

For matters like this:

The only lawyers that state facts are called judges.

The only lawyers that state final, undeniable facts are called Justices.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Now let's move to the question of ALPA's "expert" lawyers: Do those lawyers state FACTS, or do they state OPINIONS?
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
It's my understanding they are stating facts.
That is a common mistake PG, and it is the key point in this discussion. If you don't believe me, go hire a lawyer and put a contract in front them. After they've read it, ask him/her to give you the facts...just the facts. That lawyer will tell you that they can only give you an OPINION of what the contract states, and that the FACTS can only be determined after a judges ruling and all appeals have been exhausted.

Again, this is key to the topic at hand. ALPA national is standing behind the OPINIONS of their lawyers and do not wish to take this to a judge where the actual FACTS can be determined. I have my opinions as to why ALPA is doing this, but I've stated them to death here.

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Old 04-28-2011, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
Can one of you airplane counter guys give us another update on how many more RJs can come onboard before the contractual limit is reached? I think its pretty obvious they are trying to hit that limit before contract time. Sometimes it's nice to look at the syringe and see how many cc's are left while you are being injected. From what I remember there is still a fair amount left. Thanks.
There is no change from the previous number. These "new" jets were to be CPS jets, but now are RJET jets. Number still stands as it did a few months ago. On a new computer so it will take some time to pull that number, but memory tells me they still have over 25 to go.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Very good 80!

For matters like this:

The only lawyers that state facts are called judges.

The only lawyers that state final, undeniable facts are called Justices.
Ha quite true.
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80, I too agree no increase in the number of allowed jets, not increase of the seat count. No one has the stomach for that, and the company know it.
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