Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-25-2011, 02:56 PM
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Good post but everyone is jumping on the fact that our MEC is not trumpeting from the mountain tops what we want/will accept on the next contract. Openers are even exchanged for how long? Personally, I don't want our NC to box themselves in by negotiating in public long before it's time to go to the table. Negotiating for Dummies, page 3.
Let's keep the pitchforks sharp but in the barn for now. Heck, they haven't even started the contract polling yet. We all have hot button issues and numbers in mind. Communicate those to your reps. Answer the poll when it comes. When we exchange openers, you may want to get out the pitchforks. Until then I plan to remain vigilant and communicate.
Let's keep the pitchforks sharp but in the barn for now. Heck, they haven't even started the contract polling yet. We all have hot button issues and numbers in mind. Communicate those to your reps. Answer the poll when it comes. When we exchange openers, you may want to get out the pitchforks. Until then I plan to remain vigilant and communicate.
04-25-2011, 03:25 PM
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Good post but everyone is jumping on the fact that our MEC is not trumpeting from the mountain tops what we want/will accept on the next contract. Openers are even exchanged for how long? Personally, I don't want our NC to box themselves in by negotiating in public long before it's time to go to the table. Negotiating for Dummies, page 3.
Let's keep the pitchforks sharp but in the barn for now. Heck, they haven't even started the contract polling yet. We all have hot button issues and numbers in mind. Communicate those to your reps. Answer the poll when it comes. When we exchange openers, you may want to get out the pitchforks. Until then I plan to remain vigilant and communicate.
Let's keep the pitchforks sharp but in the barn for now. Heck, they haven't even started the contract polling yet. We all have hot button issues and numbers in mind. Communicate those to your reps. Answer the poll when it comes. When we exchange openers, you may want to get out the pitchforks. Until then I plan to remain vigilant and communicate.
04-25-2011, 03:26 PM
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For any geeks interested, the Nook Color update was released today for manual
Download and will be auto updating next week. Its an upgrade to Android 2.2 with
Flash and a limited app store.
Works on Deltanet - yes, zo far
Works on travelner - yes, but havent tried listing
Works on iCrew - No gets simple accelerator error in the usual places
Works on APC forums - yes
Posted from my Nook Color
Download and will be auto updating next week. Its an upgrade to Android 2.2 with
Flash and a limited app store.
Works on Deltanet - yes, zo far
Works on travelner - yes, but havent tried listing
Works on iCrew - No gets simple accelerator error in the usual places
Works on APC forums - yes
Posted from my Nook Color
I need to try that download on my Xoom. Running Android 3.0.1
That accelerator error was my problem with I-Crew.
Last edited by Amish Pilot; 04-25-2011 at 03:50 PM. Reason: just learned the nook is a book reader
04-25-2011, 03:41 PM
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Ragtop for President!!!!!!!!
04-25-2011, 04:04 PM
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04-25-2011, 04:08 PM
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In YOUR seat math discussion you fail to mention the following:
Southwest $210 per hour, divided by 137 seats per aircraft = 1.53 per seat per hour.
That "seat math" yields the following for the 747: 1.53 per seat per hour X 403 seats per aircraft = $616.59 per hour.
I know, I know, Southwest is not one of our peers we can compare to.
Carl
Southwest $210 per hour, divided by 137 seats per aircraft = 1.53 per seat per hour.
That "seat math" yields the following for the 747: 1.53 per seat per hour X 403 seats per aircraft = $616.59 per hour.
I know, I know, Southwest is not one of our peers we can compare to.
Carl
04-25-2011, 04:15 PM
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04-25-2011, 04:24 PM
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The management guy has time to post your responses in multiple threads, but he never answered my question about Hawaiian being a Delta peer either...the one where Hawaiian's creditors were paid 100 cents on the dollar in their sham bankruptcy. Delta pilots were the second largest creditor in our trip through the courts and got 60 cents on the dollar. The largest creditor only got 46 cents...
Hawaiian Airlines. Did or did they not file for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on March 21, 2003?
Hawaiian Airlines. Did or did they not receive court approval for its reorganization plan that included renegotiated contracts with its union work groups under an 1113 provision?
In regards to Hawaiian again. Did ALPA or did ALPA not negotiate a TA that was voted down by the pilots by a 55 to 45 margin causing Hawaiian to then threaten to return to the court to obtain a contract?
Did the Hawaiian pilots, or did they not, then approve their second TA that contained a much better deal and was negotiated, rather than concieved by the judge, through the same 1113 process and code Delta pilots were working with in BK court?
And finally, to your often repeated claim that Hawaiian was involved in a "sham" bankruptcy, and that fact must be true because their creditors received 100%on their claims:
Multiple parties were bidding on Hawaiian as they were set to emerge from court reorganization. The bidding war per se was what enabled theose creditors to obtain that kind of return, not the "sham" bankruptcy.
Bullish in bankruptcy
With Hawaiian reporting this week the best first-quarter operating profit in its history and the 12th straight month in the black, prospective bidders were getting financial data from the trustee to polish their plans.
Adams and Carty got general financial data last week and have submitted a request for more specific data covering individual route profitability.
The process is similar to due diligence when a prospective purchaser of a business looks at the books. But when Adams heard this, he chuckled.
"There is one big difference from regular due diligence," he said. "They're the sellers, but we think their forecast is a lot more dismal than ours will be."
Hawaiian management has warned employees that current profitability could be a window of profits that closes later if mainland airlines enter Hawaiian's best-performing routes.
Carty doesn't think so. Mainland carriers not already flying to Hawaii tend not to have the right aircraft for the run.
"Southwest and America West couldn't fly here without changing their business model," he said.
Other bidders also said they think Hawaiian and Aloha have found a niche in their mainland routes that would be difficult for other airlines to exploit, especially in the next few years when they are likely to be concentrating on improving the profitability of the routes they already have.
With Hawaiian reporting this week the best first-quarter operating profit in its history and the 12th straight month in the black, prospective bidders were getting financial data from the trustee to polish their plans.
Adams and Carty got general financial data last week and have submitted a request for more specific data covering individual route profitability.
The process is similar to due diligence when a prospective purchaser of a business looks at the books. But when Adams heard this, he chuckled.
"There is one big difference from regular due diligence," he said. "They're the sellers, but we think their forecast is a lot more dismal than ours will be."
Hawaiian management has warned employees that current profitability could be a window of profits that closes later if mainland airlines enter Hawaiian's best-performing routes.
Carty doesn't think so. Mainland carriers not already flying to Hawaii tend not to have the right aircraft for the run.
"Southwest and America West couldn't fly here without changing their business model," he said.
Other bidders also said they think Hawaiian and Aloha have found a niche in their mainland routes that would be difficult for other airlines to exploit, especially in the next few years when they are likely to be concentrating on improving the profitability of the routes they already have.
Last edited by TheManager; 04-25-2011 at 04:46 PM.
04-25-2011, 04:25 PM
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When the next TA is presented to the membership, I will first look at section 1. If it does not show tightened language and improvements--No vote. I will then look at payrates/compenstation. If the package will not result in compensation of SWA/FDX/UPS+ (for an average month, not scenarios that require green/white/yellow slipping, etc.)--No vote. Third I will look at scheduling. Without major improvements--No vote. If the TA passes those three tests I will then look over the other sections and determine if it is acceptable. When the company sits across the table to exchange openers, I want them to know that we have 12,000 pilots that will vote this way and a union that will not present them with anything less.
I am afraid that the union I employ to protect my interests will try to sell us a contract for less than I am worth. I am afraid that my union will continue to allow more of our flying to be outsourced. All of this in the name of good relations with the company.
And thats the FACTS!
I am afraid that the union I employ to protect my interests will try to sell us a contract for less than I am worth. I am afraid that my union will continue to allow more of our flying to be outsourced. All of this in the name of good relations with the company.
And thats the FACTS!
04-25-2011, 04:40 PM
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Oh, and Ragtop. Most excellent post.
Hey Slow and call sign ***** ****. I do not endorse DPA. I have been an ALPA member at several other airlines. I have seen effective and not so effective MEC's over the days.
I want to see DALPA reverse the course they are on and make the changes that will benefit the will and desire of Delta pilots. I will advocate for those changes, along with many other pilots that can be found both here and on the line.
Your fear, and those that make a living on ALPA and not line flying, should be the collective number of unsatisfied members and not the DPA.
It won't take many more received resolutions and tone deaf stone walling to energize these people. People like Ragtop. A well organized recall campaign can clean up DALPA much quicker than DPA can become our bargaining agent.
Sleep tight.
Hey Slow and call sign ***** ****. I do not endorse DPA. I have been an ALPA member at several other airlines. I have seen effective and not so effective MEC's over the days.
I want to see DALPA reverse the course they are on and make the changes that will benefit the will and desire of Delta pilots. I will advocate for those changes, along with many other pilots that can be found both here and on the line.
Your fear, and those that make a living on ALPA and not line flying, should be the collective number of unsatisfied members and not the DPA.
It won't take many more received resolutions and tone deaf stone walling to energize these people. People like Ragtop. A well organized recall campaign can clean up DALPA much quicker than DPA can become our bargaining agent.
Sleep tight.
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