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Old 04-23-2011, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Interesting that the number is 6. Delta failed to secure 6 of the 12 e170's that compass was supposed to get. Only 6 are being put into service now.





*Side note: The flow through rumors and getting stronger on this side. Rumors of letters going out in a couple weeks. If you work the numbers backwards it makes sense.

Delta must give compass 45 days notice. Plus 90 days worth of hold backs would put new hires in class in mid October for 2012 flying. Just like last year.
Are you saying Delta is going to furlough or hire?
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:43 PM
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Are you saying Delta is going to furlough or hire?
Hire......
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Old 04-23-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
That contract summary is well below my standards for the next DALPA PWA by a longshot.

No one(DALPA/DPA/DAL) can or will lower my personal expectations.
That's good to hear. You'll be needing to really pressure DALPA to understand your point of view though...because all their literature thus far seems clearly aimed at getting us to see things through the eyes of management.

Originally Posted by shiznit
So did SWAPA get this though confrontational policies/behaviors or through constructive engagement?
They got it through a positive approach with management where both treat the other with respect. Our management only treats DALPA people with respect IF those DALPA people see things through their eyes. Then those DALPA folks are described by management as: "visionary union leaders, and modern thinking union leaders."

Unlike SWA, ours is a totally one-sided relationship where only our union's weakness is appreciated.

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Why is SWAPA "carrying managment's water"?
I would carry management's water too if our relationship was really based on mutual respect and appreciation for what the other is worth to the success of the airline. That is NOT the case at Delta.

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(On page 6 they talk about how SWA and SWAPA are side by side at social/family events).
Sounds like a lot of fun...doesn't it.

But none of those SWA guys get the privilege of hawking credit cards for management like I get to do. I'll bet they're SO jealous of what we have here!

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Old 04-23-2011, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Interesting that the number is 6. Delta failed to secure 6 of the 12 e170's that compass was supposed to get. Only 6 are being put into service now.
Also with the 90's taking longer to come on line.

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Old 04-23-2011, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
I'm that someone and, yes, they did. The CP briefed it during the LEC meeting. 6 -9s originally scheduled to be removed from service due to impending heavy checks will now receive those checks and remain in service. Marketing needs them. The drawdown is now scheduled to commence in 2012. The next AE will not reflect any -9 reductions.
Which LEC?
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Old 04-23-2011, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
They got it through a positive approach with management where both treat the other with respect. Our management only treats DALPA people with respect IF those DALPA people see things through their eyes. Then those DALPA folks are described by management as: "visionary union leaders, and modern thinking union leaders."

Unlike SWA, ours is a totally one-sided relationship where only our union's weakness is appreciated.



I would carry management's water too if our relationship was really based on mutual respect and appreciation for what the other is worth to the success of the airline. That is NOT the case at Delta.
Thanks, Carl. I was just about to reply to shiznit. You saved me the time!

Spot on analysis. And BTW, I'm all for proactive engagement the way it is at SWA. This is the way things are supposed to work in a healthy business. Unfortunately, like you said, this is NOT the situation we have today at Delta. We are being taken extreme advantage of... and DALPA isn't lifting a finger to even point it out, much less trying to correct it.
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I would carry management's water too if our relationship was really based on mutual respect and appreciation for what the other is worth to the success of the airline. That is NOT the case at Delta.Carl
Carl,

That is a very succinct summation.

Steve Dickson (and others) frequently say nice things about the pilot group, which at first blush makes us feel good...

However, we need only look at Jim Graham's preamble to the new "call-in-honest" policy to see how we are really valued.

Mutual respect and (genuine) appreciation are sorely lacking from management!
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:29 PM
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It's Saturday night, and no Clamp yet. So in honor of my bud tsquare:






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Old 04-23-2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I took this picture at the Green Bay Airport. (No photoshop)




No further comment.....
I worked for F9 before coming to Delta. Now that I'm here it turns my stomach that we subsidize their flying and we guarantee profits for their parent company. This latest MEC meeting is a joke. ACL and others said "if they were ever deamed a STS then we would light the torches".... now what are those same people saying? I can't believe it. Just so we're clear Chataqua is flying routes for F9 while flying as a DCI carrier. I don't care what shell games you want to play it is a violation of our scope and if our jobs are worth anything we should light those torches!

Frontier is the fastest growing major airline... maybe I can get my old job back.
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Old 04-23-2011, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
It's Saturday night, and no Clamp yet. So in honor of my bud tsquare:






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You rang, Carl?

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