hockeypilot44

I'm tired of statements like this. Screw APA. We need to fight our own battles. I've heard statements from our fellow pilots saying that if the United/Continental contract is not significantly better than our current contract, then we will have very minimal contractual gains. Whatever happened to taking care of ourselves?

forgot to bid

Thanks, that didn't pop up. My outlook is screwed up for some reason.

I read it and see one thing here to keep in mind - they're still looking at it.

I'm going to wait to light the powder.

Because it is true that the NMB didn't declare STS on that 07APR ruling. Thus it does not allow us to immediately file a grievance over a scope violation. It opened the door to find them STS. This has to be brought back before the NMB again before we can have them declared STS and file.

Although there is a different way I'd like to see this coming out. It should be, hey, good news, NMB issued a statement about RAH being STS for representation. That ruling doesn't allow us to file a grievance per se, but it gave us a lot of ammo we hope to use to show STS and therein file a grievance.

But that's not very tactful but what I am reading here seems very weak but slightly hopeful.

Now don't ask me what I think will come out in May but for now I will hold out a little bit of hope.

This is like the morning after a big lottery drawing, I don't want to know if I won, just let me dream about my A-26 for a few more hours.

Imagine the irony if that occurred though.

DAL 88 Driver

That's another serious problem with DALPA. They're pinning all our hopes to "pattern bargaining." That's great for a normal situation. But we're digging out of a MASSIVE hole! It would take a 70% increase to our current contract's end rates to restore the buying power of our C2K rates. Even if we wanted to be "reasonable" and settle for a 50% increase, you're not going to get anything like that with "pattern bargaining." It's time to take a stand and make it clear to all concerned that we will not rest until this profession and our careers are put back on track. DALPA has had almost half a decade to do this. It is abundantly clear to me they have no intention of doing so.

forgot to bid

I agree.

Long term 88, I can't see how we can stay with ALPA if they continue to serve the airlines that are airline outsources our work to in order to keep us from doing it because we cost too much.

And what I fear is if RA and the BOD came out tomorrow and said NO MORE RJ'S! THEY MUST BE GONE BY END OF SUMMER! It'd get push back from Herndon would it not?

forgot to bid

Disregard, answered my own rant.

hockeypilot44

You should change your statement to read, "I'm a Delta pilot, and we do not light the powder." If the powder was going to be lit, it would have happened years ago. We have proven time and time again that no matter how much wrong ALPA does, we will do nothing to stop it. I keep hearing how if ALPA gives us on scope one more time, they will pay. Well the truth is ALPA is still giving up on scope every single day. I'm done talking about this. We really should stop discussing scope. We have none. In the long run, the smallest aircraft Delta will fly will be the 320. The only reason why I think the line will be drawn there is because our 757's will be replaced by 321's that will pay the same as our leftover 320's.

forgot to bid

I agree with your premise, this should've been done a long time ago. I've already got a problem with how this is being represented because to me it sounds like it's a setup to kick the can down the road then kick it into the gutter and run from it. That's my fear.

But in this specific case with RAH I don't see how I can have a prolonged nasty rant that I'm ready to do until they come back in May and say they're doing nothing. They can come back in May and say they can apply to the NMB to find RAH was STS and grieve a violation of section 1.

That means a few more weeks of pounding this home.

Remember this case was brought forth by the IBT, RAH's own union, not ALPA. And all they wanted was a finding of STS for representation, which to me, means they know the ramifications of finding STS. The last thing RAH's IBT would want is to go it alone with Frontier, they want that guaranteed profit. Which is the $@#%@# about all of this and if true, all the proof you need that we're funding our competiiton.

To me the NMB was more than willing to gave the IBT and ALPA everything they asked for.

That to me makes me believe the NMB will find STS for RAH in a blink of an eye - if asked. And they better be asked.

Carl Spackler

That's not right man. We DO have scope. Our problem is that we are affiliated with a national union that will not fund any attempt by us to defend our scope. How sick is that.

Carl

forgot to bid

I agree with Carl.

And I'm about to set a record, most posts by me in a row that didn't have a picture. Except I snuck in a few on that satch vs ftb thread entitled SWA blah blah blah.

scambo1

FTB;

I am a fan of not being rash. That said, you are still keeping your powder dry when you send it a card. Do not deny that you can read - and have read section 1. You have done your due diligence and your bargaining agent continues to kick the can down the road.

DALPA, Rome is burning. There is not enough koolaide left in ATL to put out the flame.

Hats off to ALPA for kicking the can down the road ... again. Yeah, we are blind.