Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-14-2011, 04:25 AM
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When I logged into I-crew (3rd time) to browse around, it had a message, "Please check your VTS for training changes or cancellations".
I found VTS and here's what it showed. Anyone able to decipher? I thought I had indoc 16-20 May, that's what the letter I received said...
status...scheduled....scheduled....DH or class...DH or class
_____...begin-date....end-date.....begin-time....end-time
44TR___15 May 11___18 May 11___1300______1700
44TR___19 May 11___31 May 11___0940______2359
44TR___01 Jun 11____16 Jun 11____0________1950
I found VTS and here's what it showed. Anyone able to decipher? I thought I had indoc 16-20 May, that's what the letter I received said...
status...scheduled....scheduled....DH or class...DH or class
_____...begin-date....end-date.....begin-time....end-time
44TR___15 May 11___18 May 11___1300______1700
44TR___19 May 11___31 May 11___0940______2359
44TR___01 Jun 11____16 Jun 11____0________1950
04-14-2011, 05:51 AM
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Here's my conclusion:
If the status of single carrier for RAH doesn't in fact violate our PWA Section 1 language, then it goes to show just how weak our current Section 1 really is.
Either we have a good contract crafted by legal experts that is enforceable and means what it says, or our contract appears to cover many bases but when it comes right down to it the intent of the language isn't enforceable.
Cheers
George
If the status of single carrier for RAH doesn't in fact violate our PWA Section 1 language, then it goes to show just how weak our current Section 1 really is.
Either we have a good contract crafted by legal experts that is enforceable and means what it says, or our contract appears to cover many bases but when it comes right down to it the intent of the language isn't enforceable.
Cheers
George
As the new ALPA president said in his very first article: 'ALPA will use all its resources to ensure that individual contracts are what's best for the profession as a whole, not self-serving.'
Carl
04-14-2011, 05:56 AM
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DAL 88,
This article confuses me. It is written by ALPA who support a 500 hr waiver and yet it says the following:
"The US Congress/President. As long as commercial aviation is seemingly safe (not too many accidents) and their constituents are getting cheap fairs, they are content. Even if they knew that current conditions in the industry would lead to a less stable airline industry or at worse, more accidents, they would not act to change it because they are afraid any increase in ticket fairs would be blamed on them. Besides, they know that if safety becomes a headline, they will be the first to grandstand on the subject and take credit for helping to solve the problem. They are useless in this debate."
Congress is actually trying to correct this with a 1500 hour minimum and ALPA is pushing for a 500 waiver. ALPA is condemning congress when Congress is apparently being more pro-active about the experience issue than ALPA.
Is it really Congress worried about high fares, or the Regional Airline Association (supported by ALPA) that are actually worried about raising Pilot compensation at the regionals?
Our union dues at work boys.
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04-14-2011, 05:59 AM
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duplicate post.
04-14-2011, 06:05 AM
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The 2010 ALPA Executive Salaries have just been published.
Anybody good with spreadsheets? I'm having a helluva time with Windows 7 and .csv (Excel) files for some reason. My computer skills are obviously lacking.
We've reached a milestone. Prater broke the half million mark. ($503,234.00)
ALPA work can be very lucrative I guess.
The LM-2 disclosures are out as well. Wait til you guys see what our lawyers get. Oh boy.
Anybody good with spreadsheets? I'm having a helluva time with Windows 7 and .csv (Excel) files for some reason. My computer skills are obviously lacking.
We've reached a milestone. Prater broke the half million mark. ($503,234.00)
ALPA work can be very lucrative I guess.
The LM-2 disclosures are out as well. Wait til you guys see what our lawyers get. Oh boy.
04-14-2011, 06:49 AM
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[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;980243]Actually, I think our Section 1 language is quite good. It's a bit complex and legalese, but that's to be expected. The language itself is very solid in my opinion. That's NOT our problem. Our problem is enforcement. ALPA will NOT allow DALPA to defend this language. ALPA's overriding goal is to ensure we don't alienate the pilots of RAH so that they might join ALPA someday. Not enforcing our Section 1 is a short term tactical loss for what ALPA views as a longer term gain.
As the new ALPA president said in his very first article: 'ALPA will use all its resources to ensure that individual contracts are what's best for the profession as a whole, not self-serving.'
THE very BEST scope language I ever say was American Airlines' former scope. It was, as I recall, three full sentences. Iron-clad. But they gave it up, for temporary contract "improvements".
Chuck
As the new ALPA president said in his very first article: 'ALPA will use all its resources to ensure that individual contracts are what's best for the profession as a whole, not self-serving.'
THE very BEST scope language I ever say was American Airlines' former scope. It was, as I recall, three full sentences. Iron-clad. But they gave it up, for temporary contract "improvements".
Chuck
04-14-2011, 07:17 AM
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Good point.
The smartest lawyers wouldve written a scope clause that resembled SWA or RAHs, not our 16,000 word behemoth. Good lawyers would also enforce it or risk raising the question of why enforce any of it if you're not going to enforce the #1 section of the pwa. Good lawyers would also be consistent, if ALPA believes there is STS with RAH on one account they should believe there is STS on every account.
The pushback here is troubling but when i read what the IBT and ALPA testified to the NMB I believe that ALPA will indeed find STS and pursue a scope violation against RAH.
The smartest lawyers wouldve written a scope clause that resembled SWA or RAHs, not our 16,000 word behemoth. Good lawyers would also enforce it or risk raising the question of why enforce any of it if you're not going to enforce the #1 section of the pwa. Good lawyers would also be consistent, if ALPA believes there is STS with RAH on one account they should believe there is STS on every account.
The pushback here is troubling but when i read what the IBT and ALPA testified to the NMB I believe that ALPA will indeed find STS and pursue a scope violation against RAH.
You raise a great point which will lead to a lot of questions IF DALPA does not go after the company for this RAH thing.
The bottom line is, if you think you are getting screwed by the opposing party after you have signed a contract, you go to court to stop that party from screwing you. You don't throw up your hands and say, "Oh oh. They got me. I suck at writing contracts."
Often, and especially when presented with ambiguous terms, the intent of the parties matter a great deal to courts when they deal with contract disputes.
At this point, I don't care what the contract says or who ruled RAH was what. To me, the real question is; is this what DALPA intended when they negotiated the contract?
If not, they should have been in court a long time ago.
If it is, they have a lot of explaining to do.
04-14-2011, 07:20 AM
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It has been insinuated on here that 'all' south guys go along with tsquare's opinion of the NW strike and I want to say that is NOT the case at all. The north guys put it on the line for what they believed in and I for one admire them for going thru all of that and they deserve praise for having the where with all to pull it off. Those waters have not been tested by the south side so to diminish what the north went thru is an insult in my book.
ACL, normally I agree with you but on this republic thing, if ALPA cannot get this right for the 12,000 of us dues paying members I will be excusing myself from their ranks and calling the DPA folks to see what I can do to help them out.
This crap has gone on too long and has to stop, NOW!!!
ACL, normally I agree with you but on this republic thing, if ALPA cannot get this right for the 12,000 of us dues paying members I will be excusing myself from their ranks and calling the DPA folks to see what I can do to help them out.
This crap has gone on too long and has to stop, NOW!!!
I am not agreeing with the position on RJET, I am explaining the logic behind the position. Does that make sense?
04-14-2011, 08:07 AM
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Check Essential had a great post the other day that still has not been answered with regard to any "logic" behind this. I'll find it and re-post.
Carl
04-14-2011, 08:10 AM
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