Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-12-2011, 06:28 AM
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Position: Nice while it lasted
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OK, so here it is, hot off the NMB website (I had to type it freehand since I couldn't select it to copy for some reason):
CONCLUSION
The Board finds that Chatauqua, Shuttle, RA, Frontier and Lynx are operating as as a single transportation system (Republic Airlines et al/Frontier) for the craft or class of Pilots for representation purposes under the RLA. As detailed below, the former Midwest Pilots are included in the single transportation system...
The entire finding is posted on the NMB website (NMB.gov - What's New - Determinations - Fiscal Year 2011 - Page Cite 138).
Now let's see what ALPA does.
CONCLUSION
The Board finds that Chatauqua, Shuttle, RA, Frontier and Lynx are operating as as a single transportation system (Republic Airlines et al/Frontier) for the craft or class of Pilots for representation purposes under the RLA. As detailed below, the former Midwest Pilots are included in the single transportation system...
The entire finding is posted on the NMB website (NMB.gov - What's New - Determinations - Fiscal Year 2011 - Page Cite 138).
Now let's see what ALPA does.
04-12-2011, 06:44 AM
Sho me da money!
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: B25, Left
Posts: 947
Need some Scoop!
ACL et al!!
What's the word on the street about the AE?
No one answered on the 4th floor ( must be busy) so I am wondering if there is any real scoop out there!
Thx
What's the word on the street about the AE?
No one answered on the 4th floor ( must be busy) so I am wondering if there is any real scoop out there!
Thx
04-12-2011, 07:02 AM
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04-12-2011, 07:03 AM
Works Every Weekend
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Position: 737 ATL
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Their spokesman issued a statement yesterday:
"The NMB's ruling has no contractual implications".
04-12-2011, 07:07 AM
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You mean AF will pay to replace it. In the Audio it seems AF doesn't even realize it hit them and only slowed to give way to opposite traffic.
04-12-2011, 07:08 AM
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04-12-2011, 07:11 AM
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Someone mentioned you can pay dues by bill instead of dues check off. Is there a way to pay with Credit Card so I can get my hotel points since I don't get any points when I stay at hotels? At least I could get something out of ALPA.
04-12-2011, 07:11 AM
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04-12-2011, 07:23 AM
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Have you shared that specific information regarding “the waste and abuse that continually gets a pass throughout the association” with your Delta pilot representatives??? The “same cadre of guys that are always in the limelight at alpa” are Delta pilots willing to do the work that you are not, because you would rather fly airplanes. It would be nice if everyone could just fly airplanes and no one had to do the work, but that certainly is not the case. Sometimes the work has to be done even when it isn’t fun. Believe it or not, Delta pilots are your union and your representatives. ALPA Int’l is a resource that Delta pilots use. There is NO cushy gig, and perhaps you would know that if you ever had volunteered for something. The fact is, it is all about volunteering, whether it’s to represent, work on a committee, or take your personal extra time to show up to a meeting. That won’t change even if you prefer to make the change to another union that has no resources.
And there are also many pilots who have raised their hands to do the work and been ignored because they have ideas that stray from the status quo.
There are also many good volunteers that have been run off after the merger for the same reason. The same seems to be occurring in Herndon now as well. Of course a system where the Chairman get's to hand out committee positions and flight pay loss as reward for servitude and compliance creates a self-perpetuating system that is not open to new ideas or honest debate. I find it a little odd most of those run off were former NWA
As to a cushy job, no, however the hard work that is done by volunteers does not warrant "bonus" pay opportunities, all while not flying and having weekends and holidays off, not open to line pilots with the same seniority.
04-12-2011, 07:29 AM
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Have you shared that specific information regarding “the waste and abuse that continually gets a pass throughout the association” with your Delta pilot representatives??? The “same cadre of guys that are always in the limelight at alpa” are Delta pilots willing to do the work that you are not, because you would rather fly airplanes. It would be nice if everyone could just fly airplanes and no one had to do the work, but that certainly is not the case. Sometimes the work has to be done even when it isn’t fun. Believe it or not, Delta pilots are your union and your representatives. ALPA Int’l is a resource that Delta pilots use. There is NO cushy gig, and perhaps you would know that if you ever had volunteered for something. The fact is, it is all about volunteering, whether it’s to represent, work on a committee, or take your personal extra time to show up to a meeting. That won’t change even if you prefer to make the change to another union that has no resources.
This is why an active, involved membership is key: it's all in the adult supervision. This is also why I wouldn't support DPA: there is no reason to think this pilot group, which is fairly apathetic now, would supervise DPA any better than it suppervises ALPA. And if the group that wants to promote DPA gets serious enough, then one would think it would translate into presence at local meetings, to promote whatever values they want to promote. IOW, if they got active enough to push a DPA through, they would be active enough to clean up whatever needs cleaning up in the union, and a DPA would not be needed.
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