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yeah. what else did they say?

Sink r8

Alfa,

You do have one good point, which is the issue of timing. Asking for leadership isn't the same as asking for knee-jerk reactions. I think the MEC would be wise to acknowledge this issue in a meaningful way. We can debate later what that should look like, as we get more info on the ramifications.

Where you're failing is the point at which you start insulting other posters. It tells me you're on the defensive. ftb hasn't said anything derogatory to you. He's never struck me as dim-witted, so don't concern yourself with keeping concepts simple enough for him. If you look his avatar carefully, it's obvious you're dealing with one smart puppy...

When you deal with certain people that question your intelligence frequently, and have a pattern of insulting you, then, perhaps, you could give yourself more latitude.

As for the teenage girl remark, our teenage girl surprises me frequently by her intelligence, as well as some emotional outbursts. Still, I don't try to diminish her intellect when I argue with her. I sometimes can't get her to see the light, and sometimes I must overrule her, based on the fact I'm ultimately in charge.

Of course, the teenage girl example is flawed in another respect: teenage girls answer to their parents. The MEC answers to the pilots.

DAL 88 Driver

Well played, Sink r8!

Exactly!!!

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I am surprised (actually not really) that the Code-A-Phone made no mention of the decision or the indication that DALPA/ALPA is aware of the ruling and are "thoroughly researching this ruling to determine if there is any impact to our PWA"


You can't possibly tell me that this ruling has caught our Union off guard. The actions take by DALPA may just be what the DPA movement needs to gain momentum. (note: I have not sent in a card yet, but will be watching what comes of this closely as will many of our pilots that haven't sent in a card).

Bill Lumberg

How about anyone who wants to chip in $100 can do so to hire people to fight this legally? I have a feeling we would raise about $1.2 million. This could be the tipping point issue to have more people seriously consider the DPA.

NuGuy

Heyas,

Things that make you go "hmmmm":

Why did the AirTran pilots INSIST on keeping OUTSIDE counsel for section one (scope) when they joined ALPA?

Nu

Sink r8

I'm not sure I would do it quite like this, and maybe Alfa has a point WRT timing. This is the classic sequence of events when something like this happens:

1) Someone on the internet reports an event and suggests an implication.
2) Someone else takes the ball and runs with it.
3) Someone with some other agenda jumps all over it to criticize the union, or the current people in the union.
4) Someone that's a close supporter of the union, or the current people in the union, jumps in for counter-insurgency and interference.
5) One of these two (above) starts calling the other one stupid.
6) Stupid follows-up with a "I know you are but what am I?"
7) Someone jumps in once again to re-driect, and offers a legal ruling.
8) And someone else sets up expections: the union has to fight, it has to win, and it has to win now, now, now.
9) Everyone agrees: now, now, now is the time.
10) With the expectations thus set, disappointment is almost immediate, and lasting, because the union can't even meet to set a direction, or formulate an answer. By then, everyone in the union, or near the union is on the defensive, and consumed with calling everyone "stupid" that's calling them "panzies".

Personally, I don't care if the union takes a few days. I don't care if the process start local, with a little info from the reps, letting us know they're taking a look at this. Then the MEC can meet. They can talk about with the company. They can seek to find remedies and solution without jumping in the expectations game. They can do a little soul-searching, and a little strategic planning. They can be smart.

I just would like them, once in a while, to conclude from their soul-searching that it's OK to roll the dice on a skirmish, just to make sure the troops are still alert, and reassure us the officers still have some fight in them. I don't want knee-jerk reactions, and I don't need instant reactions either. I just think deliberate planning doesn't preclude ocasionally engaging. And I think a force that's got some fight in it might get some surprising results. But we'll never know if we never try.

This seems like a subject we should battle over.

Let's see what develops.

JobHopper

The NMB posts its rulings online (NMB.GOV). The latest one they've put up is from March 29. Might I suggest everyone throttle back for a week or so until we can all read what it really says?

acl65pilot

Fair enough, I know the issues with just letting guys swap their stuff on the open time board, but did not think it would effect pilot to pilot swaps. Either way, I suspect that the input will be what you state.

I was not sure what it was one of the highest recommendations for the SOT though.