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Old 04-08-2011, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
To summarize, we file a grievance when the actual legal contract has been violated, not when some forum lawyer decides he is now a legal professional. Got it?
Translation: ALPA lawyers are bush-league and couldn't find employment anywhere else. They can't even figure out how to bust their own in-house union without losing and paying $700,000 plus in judgments. With that in mind, we've got no choice but to tell the members that our professionals don't read the clear meaning of the printed word the way you do. They read it the way management reads it. That way our lawyers won't have to litigate...and lose.

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Old 04-08-2011, 10:24 AM
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AND WHY IN THE HELL DO WE NOT WANT TO TRY? WHY?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH DALPA SAYING "THIS IS GOOD NEWS, WE'RE GOING TO STOP THIS MULTI-CERTIFICATE SCAM NOW."

Instead "well, you don't know what you're talking about because you're just a pilot and if we know anything as a pilot's union is that pilots don't know anything. So status quo and don't question our lawyers."

Funny, there is always 2 lawyers in a case, one for and against the same thing so you can't question any lawyer?

But Skywest there is your green light, go for it. We'll pay for your Airbuses. ALPA won't grieve it if you consider voting them in too.

Maybe the Teamsters would like 12,000 mainline pilots? I'm all for anything at this point. Imagine if the 2000+ pilots who signed those DPA cards, probably few signing them because they're in love with the DPA, invited another established union? Could we finally get ALPA to do it's job correctly which includes not pushing back against the pilots?

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Old 04-08-2011, 10:44 AM
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AND WHY IN THE HELL DO WE NOT WANT TO TRY? WHY?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH DALPA SAYING "THIS IS GOOD NEWS, WE'RE GOING TO STOP THIS MULTI-CERTIFICATE SCAM NOW."

Instead "well, you don't know what you're talking about because you're just a pilot and if we know anything as a pilot's union is that pilots don't know anything. So status quo and don't question our lawyers."

Funny, there is always 2 lawyers in a case, one for and against the same thing so you can't question any lawyer?

But Skywest there is your green light, go for it. We'll pay for your Airbuses. ALPA won't grieve it if you consider voting them in too.

Maybe the Teamsters would like 12,000 mainline pilots? I'm all for anything at this point. Imagine if the 2000+ pilots who signed those DPA cards, probably few signing them because they're in love with the DPA, invited another union? Could we finally get ALPA to do it's job correctly which includes not pushing back against the pilots.

I might just have to call my old friend Vito to help out with this request.





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Old 04-08-2011, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I might just have to call my old friend Vito to help out with this request.





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Wow, nice work there Carl. Real nice. I bet your using something better than my free Microsoft Paint program for that!
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
So what is the significance of the ruling by the government? Well at least I admit I don't know, you pretend you know but you just bluster away with no substance behind your bluster.
The Board finds a single transportation system only when there is substantial integration of operations, financial control, and labor and personnel functions. Burlington N. Santa Fe Ry. Co., 32 NMB 163 (2005); Huron and Eastern Ry. Co., Inc., 31 NMB 450 (2004); Portland & Western R. R., Inc., 31 NMB 71 (2003); American Airlines and Reno Air, 26 NMB 467 (1999). Further, the Board has noted that a substantial degree of overlapping ownership, senior management, and Boards of Directors is critical to finding a single transportation system. Precision Valley Aviation, Inc., d/b/a Precision Airlines and Valley Flying Serv., Inc., d/b/a Northeast Express Reg’l Airlines, 20 NMB 619 (1993). The Board’s criteria for substantial integration of operations do not require total integration of operations. US Airways/America West Airlines, 33 NMB 49 (2006).


I don't know all this legal stuff. I think its just hard for the average line pilot to believe that Republic is not an air carrier. What the heck is Republic Air Holdings if its not a company providing air transportation? They are tricking the system through a legal subterfuge.
Right is right. Our contract prevents codesharing with a company that has Airbuses and E-190s. At least we thought it did.
At this point, ALPA may have to file this grievance just to maintain any sort of credibility with the membership. We've been giving away pieces of our scope clause for so long that its kinda like the sun rising in the morning. A little scope erosion pops up -- ALPA lets it slide or agrees to "settle". Drip, drip, drip.
I'm just tired of it.
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:55 AM
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But Skywest there is your green light, go for it. We'll pay for your Airbuses. ALPA won't grieve it if you consider voting them in too.
Thats what Im thinking too. You would think that if this ruling gave DALPA the ability to challenge RAH it would be good for other regional ALPA carriers. If RAH isn't allowed to do the flying then it could be transferred over to other ALPA regionals. While this doesn't bring the flying back to DAL it does stop the multilevel scope end arounds that RAH is playing and sets a precedent while potentially helping out your other union members.

The scary thought is that ALPA doesnt want to open Pandoras box here because they want the ability to grow other ALPA regionals in the same manner that RAH has and feel that the short term transfer of flying is small potatoes to the growth one might see by getting bigger jets with scope end arounds at these super regionals.
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:09 AM
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Wow, nice work there Carl. Real nice. I bet your using something better than my free Microsoft Paint program for that!
Man...THAT'S high praise from the master himself!!

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Maddoggin
Thats what Im thinking too. You would think that if this ruling gave DALPA the ability to challenge RAH it would be good for other regional ALPA carriers. If RAH isn't allowed to do the flying then it could be transferred over to other ALPA regionals. While this doesn't bring the flying back to DAL it does stop the multilevel scope end arounds that RAH is playing and sets a precedent while potentially helping out your other union members.

The scary thought is that ALPA doesnt want to open Pandoras box here because they want the ability to grow other ALPA regionals in the same manner that RAH has and feel that the short term transfer of flying is small potatoes to the growth one might see by getting bigger jets with scope end arounds at these super regionals.
Again...I just love to see folks putting the pieces of this puzzle together!

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:19 AM
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AND WHY IN THE HELL DO WE NOT WANT TO TRY? WHY?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH DALPA SAYING "THIS IS GOOD NEWS, WE'RE GOING TO STOP THIS MULTI-CERTIFICATE SCAM NOW."

Instead "well, you don't know what you're talking about because you're just a pilot and if we know anything as a pilot's union is that pilots don't know anything. So status quo and don't question our lawyers."

Funny, there is always 2 lawyers in a case, one for and against the same thing so you can't question any lawyer?

But Skywest there is your green light, go for it. We'll pay for your Airbuses. ALPA won't grieve it if you consider voting them in too.

Maybe the Teamsters would like 12,000 mainline pilots? I'm all for anything at this point. Imagine if the 2000+ pilots who signed those DPA cards, probably few signing them because they're in love with the DPA, invited another established union? Could we finally get ALPA to do it's job correctly which includes not pushing back against the pilots?
I don't know if you are not reading what is written or if you are just making things up. I will put this to you as simply as possible:

There was a ruling made yesterday, not even 24 hours ago. That may change the legal situation and it may not.

The situation will be analyzed by real lawyers and not fake internet lawyers.

Before spending a million dollars of dues money, sufficient research will be done to ensure we have a case.

If we have a case, then we will file a grievance.

Is that simple enough for you? I have said multiple times that a grievance will be filed if there is a violation, and then you pretend like I said "we will not file a grievance." The only difference in our positions, is that I want a real lawyer to analyze the situation and not an internet blowhard, no matter how smart he thinks he is.

I fell like I am arguing with my girls back when they are teenagers. Cripes.
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:23 AM
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Anyone try signing up for the Delta MEC Pilot Blast to receive text messages, like when the bid window is open among other things? I tried but never got a text for the authorization code.
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