Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-08-2011, 08:21 AM
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04-08-2011, 08:44 AM
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Perhaps, instead of DPA ... dare I say, Teamsters?
At least they have this unity and unionization thing down cold. They fight to UNIFY their pilots while ALPA has fought to keep Delta pilots separate from 50% of Delta flying.
Just curious what others think. Not trying to get anything started.
At least they have this unity and unionization thing down cold. They fight to UNIFY their pilots while ALPA has fought to keep Delta pilots separate from 50% of Delta flying.
Just curious what others think. Not trying to get anything started.
DPA, Alpa, Teamsters, APA, SWAPA etc.... Its all the same shananigans. The truth of the matter is: these entities have gotten so BIG that money is the only way to survive, and Politics is the only way to make the money.
We need to go back to the basics of what the UNION was built on. (Safety, Job preservation and enhancement). Somehow, the basics have been forgotten.
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04-08-2011, 08:46 AM
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Sorry Satch... I hope that did not come across as me saying that you were stupid for asking that question... If it did, that was not my intent and I apologize. I don't think that ACL has thought thru the unintended consequences..
04-08-2011, 08:52 AM
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Would that be the same most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country who lost ALPA's office building in the PanAm seniority lawsuit? The same ones who paid nearly a million bucks to the settle with the RJDC? The same ones who just lost mega-millions in the UAL notes lawsuit?
Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
Maybe we need a second opinion?
The United States government has just said that Republic is a single transportation system. Its worth a shot to see if maybe the System Board of Adjustment might agree.
If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
Maybe we need a second opinion?
The United States government has just said that Republic is a single transportation system. Its worth a shot to see if maybe the System Board of Adjustment might agree.
If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
04-08-2011, 08:59 AM
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Btw, BOG still sucks.
04-08-2011, 09:02 AM
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Don't you have better layovers there now? Go to Zona Rosa or Zona T... good restaurants, the beer's fine, and the sightseeing isn't that bad either. A cab from the Royal hotel should only be about $2... And if you ever get a reeeeeeally long layover, there are lots of neat places to go. Drop me a PM sometime if you have a 48 hour layover and Ill send you the gouge.
04-08-2011, 09:58 AM
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I'm not a DPA guy, and I've generally been supportive of this MEC. I don't think Moak's the antechrist, and I don't really think National dicates our actions. I think proactively engagement the company is certainly a worthy tool. I don't think every issue that's brought up on the forum is an actual crisis.
And still, your post rings hollow with me.
I've never been super-impressed with the North's grievance count, because it tells me they were doing something wrong, but then again, I would expect us to have some disagreements with the company. It's OK to have arguments. It's OK to show you're a pilot advocate. It's OK to take on a long shot fight if the intent of the rule clearly favors your argument, even if your lawyer tells you it's not the strongest argument.
I've read some of the stuff from a couple of the "North" councils, and it's pretty obvious they live in a place where huffing and puffing and looking angry is good enough, even in the absence of results. I get that.
But why do we always have to act like a shy, shy, little girl that's embarassed she wet her bed and tries to hide in the closet so we don't get in trouble?
And still, your post rings hollow with me.
I've never been super-impressed with the North's grievance count, because it tells me they were doing something wrong, but then again, I would expect us to have some disagreements with the company. It's OK to have arguments. It's OK to show you're a pilot advocate. It's OK to take on a long shot fight if the intent of the rule clearly favors your argument, even if your lawyer tells you it's not the strongest argument.
I've read some of the stuff from a couple of the "North" councils, and it's pretty obvious they live in a place where huffing and puffing and looking angry is good enough, even in the absence of results. I get that.
But why do we always have to act like a shy, shy, little girl that's embarassed she wet her bed and tries to hide in the closet so we don't get in trouble?
Most complaints that get filed get full pay within a week or two of their first call as opposed to waiting a year for a grievance to be filed.
So instead of acting like a little girl, maybe some people should stop acting like a forgetful old man. Do we have to remind you every month about the actions taken?
To summarize, we file a grievance when the actual legal contract has been violated, not when some forum lawyer decides he is now a legal professional. Got it?
04-08-2011, 10:11 AM
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Would that be the same most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country who lost ALPA's office building in the PanAm seniority lawsuit? The same ones who paid nearly a million bucks to the settle with the RJDC? The same ones who just lost mega-millions in the UAL notes lawsuit?
Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
Maybe we need a second opinion?
The United States government has just said that Republic is a single transportation system. Its worth a shot to see if maybe the System Board of Adjustment might agree.
If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
Maybe we need a second opinion?
The United States government has just said that Republic is a single transportation system. Its worth a shot to see if maybe the System Board of Adjustment might agree.
If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
The RJDC was settled for less than a million dollars simply to make the lawsuit go away. It would have cost many multiple millions to try the case and our lawyers made a settlement for partial legal fees and a "meet and confer" clause over scope negotiations. Maybe you would prefer a lawyer that will just run up the bill on you, but professionals don't do that. (the DPA lawyer has basically run his current client, USAPA, out of money, so maybe that is why he is looking for fresh meat)
Don't know the specifics of the UAL case and neither do you. Who made the mistakes? If someone commits a wrongdoing, you can't blame the lawyers because there is a cost to it.
The lawyers at Cohen Weiss and Simon could make much more money if they sold out labor and went corporate.
So what is the significance of the ruling by the government? Well at least I admit I don't know, you pretend you know but you just bluster away with no substance behind your bluster. If this changes the situation, we will have professional labor lawyers, the best in the country, to help us sort through the meaning of this and then file a grievance if it's warranted.
Or we could just flounder away like giant blowhards on the internet.
04-08-2011, 10:12 AM
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I remember, before I was hired, that the company was assigning seniority per new hire class in reverse of what it should've been per the contract. According to the DALPA guy talking to us he said that it was a new hire pilot that figured it out and pointed it out and a correction had to be made. He used that as an example as to why regular pilots should always review the contract and point out things they see as wrong.
I'll always remember that story as people tell us to back down.
I'll always remember that story as people tell us to back down.
04-08-2011, 10:22 AM
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Let me get this straight, RAH goes off and creates this multi-certificate ploy after they got beat by the APA. So they figured a work around, which in essence means, we are not going to abide by the spirit of the law while really not abiding by the letter either but nobody has complained yet.
So now its been found that RAH, as it was all along, is a single carrier. But we're not supposed to do anything about it?
All roads lead to Rome here regardless of whether Bedford puts up a sign that says its Albuquerque and points out that the fire houses around town all have different chiefs. It's still Rome and only an idiot can't see it. Now that one judge has looked at it and stated it is indeed Rome then why can't another judge do the same?
So now its been found that RAH, as it was all along, is a single carrier. But we're not supposed to do anything about it?
All roads lead to Rome here regardless of whether Bedford puts up a sign that says its Albuquerque and points out that the fire houses around town all have different chiefs. It's still Rome and only an idiot can't see it. Now that one judge has looked at it and stated it is indeed Rome then why can't another judge do the same?
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