Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-08-2011, 06:42 AM
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Capn crunch I had the same probem. Your yellow slip is in there until you pull it out. What that means is if any trip comes availble that you are legal to cover you will get it. I put a yellow in to pick up a trip i wanted and forgot to pull it out so once my original trip was over i got another one because the yellow was in there. Once you get what you want from the yellow pull it out or else you will keep getting trips as long as u are legal
04-08-2011, 06:47 AM
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Is it possible, just possible, that your legal training is somehow less stringent than the lawyers who advise ALPA? Our general counsel is considered the nation's leading expert on the RLA and is quoted by judges in their rulings. Could it be possible that you may have made a mistake in your interpretation of the language? So you claim you are misled, when in fact there is an overwhelming chance that you are just wrong, because you are not a lawyer. Seriously, what do you think when there is some delay on your flight and some lawyer comes up to the cockpit and starts bloviating about the airlines. Probably, "What a tool" is the first thing that comes to mind.
Look Carl, is just a blowhard who makes things up. ALPA has filed several grievances over Scope and will continue, WHENEVER IT IS ACTUALLY VIOLATED, not when some pilot who thinks he's a lawyer thinks it has been violated. I have no idea what the implications are of this ruling by the NMB, because I am a stupid pilot and not a lawyer, certainly not one of the most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country. If this changes the circumstances of our scope clause then a cease and desist letter will be sent to management and if they don't comply, a grievance will be filed.
Volunteers are always wanted, it you want to volunteer, then give me a PM and I will help you get started. Virtually every pilot who works in ALPA started out because their hair was on fire and they wanted to change the world. It's actually much tougher to change the world than it looks on the outside.
Look Carl, is just a blowhard who makes things up. ALPA has filed several grievances over Scope and will continue, WHENEVER IT IS ACTUALLY VIOLATED, not when some pilot who thinks he's a lawyer thinks it has been violated. I have no idea what the implications are of this ruling by the NMB, because I am a stupid pilot and not a lawyer, certainly not one of the most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country. If this changes the circumstances of our scope clause then a cease and desist letter will be sent to management and if they don't comply, a grievance will be filed.
Volunteers are always wanted, it you want to volunteer, then give me a PM and I will help you get started. Virtually every pilot who works in ALPA started out because their hair was on fire and they wanted to change the world. It's actually much tougher to change the world than it looks on the outside.
And still, your post rings hollow with me.
I've never been super-impressed with the North's grievance count, because it tells me they were doing something wrong, but then again, I would expect us to have some disagreements with the company. It's OK to have arguments. It's OK to show you're a pilot advocate. It's OK to take on a long shot fight if the intent of the rule clearly favors your argument, even if your lawyer tells you it's not the strongest argument.
I've read some of the stuff from a couple of the "North" councils, and it's pretty obvious they live in a place where huffing and puffing and looking angry is good enough, even in the absence of results. I get that.
But why do we always have to act like a shy, shy, little girl that's embarassed she wet her bed and tries to hide in the closet so we don't get in trouble?
04-08-2011, 06:48 AM
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I'm not a DPA guy, and I've generally been supportive of this MEC. I don't think Moak's the antechrist, and I don't really think National dicates our actions. I think proactively engagement the company is certainly a worthy tool. I don't think every issue that's brought up on the forum is an actual crisis.
And still, your post rings hollow with me.
I've never been super-impressed with the North's grievance count, because it tells me they were doing something wrong, but then again, I would expect us to have some disagreements with the company. It's OK to have arguments. It's OK to show you're a pilot advocate. It's OK to take on a long shot fight if the intent of the rule clearly favors your argument, even if your lawyer tells you it's not the strongest argument.
I've read some of the stuff from a couple of the "North" councils, and it's pretty obvious they live in a place where huffing and puffing and looking angry is good enough, even in the absence of results. I get that.
But why do we always have to act like a shy, shy, little girl that's embarassed she wet her bed and tries to hide in the closet so we don't get in trouble?
And still, your post rings hollow with me.
I've never been super-impressed with the North's grievance count, because it tells me they were doing something wrong, but then again, I would expect us to have some disagreements with the company. It's OK to have arguments. It's OK to show you're a pilot advocate. It's OK to take on a long shot fight if the intent of the rule clearly favors your argument, even if your lawyer tells you it's not the strongest argument.
I've read some of the stuff from a couple of the "North" councils, and it's pretty obvious they live in a place where huffing and puffing and looking angry is good enough, even in the absence of results. I get that.
But why do we always have to act like a shy, shy, little girl that's embarassed she wet her bed and tries to hide in the closet so we don't get in trouble?
04-08-2011, 06:49 AM
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Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
Maybe we need a second opinion?
The United States government has just said that Republic is a single transportation system. Its worth a shot to see if maybe the System Board of Adjustment might agree.
If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
04-08-2011, 06:53 AM
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First, we need to be able to tell "their" apart from "there". Then we can get particular about "antechrist" vs. "antichrist".
04-08-2011, 06:55 AM
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Maybe I am wrong, but I think the Republic Flying (no matter what spin you put on it) is supposed to be flown by Delta pilots.
Please stop the downward spiral of our profession. Lets work on restoration and enhancement of our work rules as our number one priority, not crewpass.
TEN
04-08-2011, 07:14 AM
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Would that be the same most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country who lost ALPA's office building in the PanAm seniority lawsuit? The same ones who paid nearly a million bucks to the settle with the RJDC? The same ones who just lost mega-millions in the UAL notes lawsuit?
Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.
I'm sorry, THEY won't have to pay the $700,000...WE WILL! Because all the money THEY waste with their poor legal skills, is given to them by US.
Carl
04-08-2011, 07:16 AM
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Here is my worry. I smell a little "conflict of interest". ALPA needs dues. ALPA is currently "courting" the Republic pilots. Would Alpa go to bat for the Delta pilots (12000+) or would Alpa find a way to justify the Republic flying?
Maybe I am wrong, but I think the Republic Flying (no matter what spin you put on it) is supposed to be flown by Delta pilots.
Please stop the downward spiral of our profession. Lets work on restoration and enhancement of our work rules as our number one priority, not crewpass.
TEN
Maybe I am wrong, but I think the Republic Flying (no matter what spin you put on it) is supposed to be flown by Delta pilots.
Please stop the downward spiral of our profession. Lets work on restoration and enhancement of our work rules as our number one priority, not crewpass.
TEN
Carl
04-08-2011, 07:28 AM
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04-08-2011, 07:39 AM
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Would that be the same most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country who lost ALPA's office building in the PanAm seniority lawsuit? The same ones who paid nearly a million bucks to the settle with the RJDC? The same ones who just lost mega-millions in the UAL notes lawsuit?
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Maybe we need a second opinion? ... If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
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Maybe we need a second opinion? ... If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.
Cohen, weiss and Simon's problem (like many well fed firms fattened by the gravy of a big client who's rich & always in trouble) is that C,W&S practices ALPA Politics more than they practice law. They listen to what the politicians want and try to make it happen rather than stating the unpopular truth. Chuck Giambusso decided "Delta pilots don't fly small jets" and their attorneys smiled and sent a bill, billed for an entire decade defending bad policy, then a settlement check and another bill. Bad legal advice is good business.
The truth was, is, and continues to be, that a union can not destroy unity and survive. It has been, is, and forever will be, true. Delta pilots must perform Delta flying or this union is toast.
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