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Old 04-07-2011, 04:50 PM
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I'll walk over to DALPA tomorrow and ask them after my sim. What should I ask?
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:54 PM
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Just waiting for slowplay to show up.

The spin stops here, though.

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Old 04-07-2011, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Two wrongs don't make a right. I think DPA's the wrong choice, but so is sitting on Scope violations.

This I agree with 100%. It is logical for our Association to aggressively defend our profession and our contract.

This ruling may change a few things, and as a result due diligence is needed.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I don't... ever. Well.. maybe if all other methods of covering that trip in base have been exhausted... If you want to fly another bases trips.. bid to that base, or wait until you get an out of base WS... picking up open time in another base is just wrong. You seriously need to rethink that position... it would be ripe for plundering and make seniority in base worthless.

I would rather DALPA do something worthwhile and prod the company to get rid of those double ended non-commutable 12 hour 3 day trips. Read what SinkR8 wrote about this... and think about it.
Read it again. Not off the open time pot, but only other pilots in a base that have their trips on the open time (pilot to pilot) swap board. Also for pickup only. Not a swap, a P/U only. Ergo, it does not effect the staffing formulas or reserve required formulas. Make sense?
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
One of those moments in time seems right around the corner...

Talk about posting a picture of someone who was in the middle of some of the most pivotal moments of U.S. history.

But, the posting could have two meanings though....
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Read it again. Not off the open time pot, but only other pilots in a base that have their trips on the open time (pilot to pilot) swap board. Also for pickup only. Not a swap, a P/U only. Ergo, it does not effect the staffing formulas or reserve required formulas. Make sense?
Doesn't make sense to me, no. Not even a little. You can set swaps AND pickups to steer them to your friends. This is a bogus practice, ripe with opportunities for abuse, as Check Essential stated.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:09 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Two wrongs don't make a right. I think DPA's the wrong choice, but so is sitting on Scope violations.
Sitting on scope violations is more than just wrong. Not intending to be too dramatic, but it's like an unconscionable sin.

I am still looking for verification. But, our union should always be fighting for every possible job for us.

If they aren't, something must change.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
This I agree with 100%. It is logical for our Association to aggressively defend our profession and our contract.

This ruling may change a few things, and as a result due diligence is needed.
Not just logical: imperative. I do agree with you that we need to udnerstand the facts, but on the surface, this is clearly a violation. My gutt feeling is that it's been a clear violation all along.

How many layers do we have too peel, and how many tears shed, before we all agree that an onion is an onion?
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Just waiting for slowplay to show up.

The spin stops here, though.

So if APA goes after RAH and gets their 15 aircraft fleet removed from flying for American then I'm sure we're going to have their soon to be 49 aircraft fleet of E145s and Ejets removed and sent packing to Frontier, right?
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