Bucking Bar

Ok, so ...

• ALPA endorses managements' outsourcing schemes with the idea that they will share in the profits and redirect that money to preferred members
• The Delta MEC & its pilots agree to outsources 50% of their flying (roughly, measured by block hours) under the theory that "regional" flying is not "mainline" flying in status, or pay. (United, NWA, & LCC do the exact same thing, btw)
• ALPA and Management become partners in outsourcing in the hopes of increasing profits
• Scope is rewritten to focus on financial transactions with management instead of its traditional role as job protection for union members
• The partners (ALPA&Management) desire competition among airlines to drive down the costs of service so that outsourcing is more profitable
• Regional Airlines like Comair see that the flying they perform is going to be diluted into many alter ego competitors
• Comair and ASA want and NEED scope to protect "their" work from being outsouced
• ALPA National blocks scope at the regional level at the behest of the mainline MEC's to avoid reducing the profitability of outsourcing
• Result - Mainline carriers go bankrupt, voiding the benefits of the outsourcing, mainline pilots get furloughed and stagnate as their domestic narrow body flying is transferred out from under them. Non union carriers and non ALPA airlines are the big beneficiaries, scoring up to 900% growth over an 8 year period.

Question 1: Who was wrong? Dan Ford, or those in ALPA that endorsed outsourcing?

Question 2: Who is responsible for the Delta pilots? Dan Ford, or the union that represents Delta pilots?

Question 3: Can you describe in less than 9,000 words how harmful outsourcing is to a labor union? For additional reference google Eastern Airlines, or Northwest Mechanics.


* Help for question 2 ... who do you pay your dues to for representation?
* Comment on Question 2 ... it is completely understandable why Dan Ford tried to protect his job when his union refused to do so. We could use a little of that around here, IMHO. It is dumb for us to be distracted (and blame) someone who was not responsible to us.

The only way to fix things is to understand who's in charge (our Reps) and by encouraging them to do the right things!

Flame suit zipped up ... fire away!

Bucking Bar

ACL65,

Slight correction. We do not "give away" scope, we trade it away.

Look at our negotiations, ziplines and the way scope violations are handled. When the Company violates our contract it is a bargaining event. The fight is never to enforce the contract as much as "what can we get for this?"

If JOB PROTECTION = SCOPE
If SCOPE VIOLATION = BARGAINING EVENT
If BARGAINING EVENT = MONEY for someone
Then Your JOB PROTECTION = MONEY for someone

BlueMoon

Question 1: Those that endorsed outsourcing. The reason Mr. Ford's position existed at all is because of the give up of scope. No give up in scope equals no lawsuit.

Question 2: Delta Alpa...unfortunately that seems to be the system ALPA has developed. Each individualsunion is responsible for looking out for itself and National does very little regulation to ensure that the CBA's reach a minimum standard and breeds under cutting.

Questions 3: Decreased bargaining power

Bucking Bar

You Sir get an A, 100%

80ktsClamp

Latest Wilson Polling has been made available to pilots: 83% prefer "underboob" to "Which came first? Scope sales or the RJDC?"

Check Essential

Bucking Bar

Well OK then, if you can't beat them ...

BlueMoon

That's a peeker

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I know that I glimpsed some text above your picture, but I still haven't read it.

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OR... go to one of the 24 hour Walmarts at around 2am tonight, find a chair, move it 1' into the isle, sit in it. Try to sleep or entertain yourself. Tonight, the IFS is OTS. Just your luck.

That reminds me. Find something to wedge your foot under as you sit in that chair at walmart. That's what it's like when you're feet are being crushed by the guy in front of you.

As to the "wide load" issue, there is a simple solution a Captain once showed me. Take the tray table and pull it straight up but don't put it down. Now put the cover in the chair arm back down so the try is now stuck in the vertical position. It is surprisingly strong. You shall be granted freedom from the "you're just a pilot brush".

Best situation possible, 3 man crew and getting a 767 with the condo. You can fart all you want during your short break and nobody will know. You will sleep like... well like my wife would if the 10 week old and 2 year old would sleep 12 straight hours tonight and if it was a foggy dark morning and we had no where to go.

That's until one of the service carts gets flipped over next to the condo. Experienced that once.