UncleSam

T, you seem to be asking a question here but didn't you answer it yourself? There are pluses & minuses to any system - you try to create a balance that works for everyone. Certainly, if you are a new hire (in the last 1-200 hired) and we stop hiring, you know the pain involved in that. Every AE/Displacement bid subjects you to yet another different base that you don't want. OTOH, you do have a job (one of the better ones available) and you are "living the dream." What may be desirable for those pilots at that point in their career, may not be the best for them long term. Historically, DALPA has tried to apply that principle. I know we don't all agree on how to accomplish that, but that is at least partly the reason that QOL does suffer for junior pilots in every category.

Elliot

Just don't mention the "Longevity Based Pay" system for those operating the RPV's or how DALPA/ALPA National would be to blame! Then we'd really have a "barn burner".

Fly safe, and prayers to all those in Japan,

GJ

P.S. T, for the record, as a junior guy I like the idea of longevity based pay, but also associated with "larger categories", instead of "individual aircraft". (i.e. Small Narrow Body, Large Narrow Body, Non-premium widebody, & Super premium widebody categories with "longevity based pay".)

tsquare

Positive.. it was an open question to the most junior guy on this board. Unless of course that is you.

tsquare

Damn dude.. you are the one that is coming out with how it will be so easy to furlough and all that... I'm looking at a way to better our QOL, which, you dismiss out of hand immediately. I'm guessing you are part of the inner circle which would explain why you are so full of yourself. Have a nice day, and don't hit your ego on the door frame.

scambo1

What if they have to evacuate? Don't int'l dead heads have to be in business elite?



Just being a jackwagon.

maddogmax

Nothing will happen until our crews start refusing to fly into NRT. Where is ALPA? I know there are some FA's who want to refuse but are afraid they will get fired without union protection.

tsquare

Thanks for the civil dialog. The best thing for any of us when our career is over is to have enough jack in the bank to be comfortable when we retire. By sticking to the old bigger faster heavier method of paying us, we ignore the time/value of money fact. When we are stagnant, like AMR, you get 20 year M88 FOs.. why should they be hammered because management chose to have a billion M88s and only a few 777s? They.... we... have been here, and should be compensated accordingly. ALPA doesn't buy the fleet. We set the rate to fly it... well.. sort of. At a minimum the retardation of a 12 year pay scale has to go.. where in the hell did that come from anyway? 12 years? Why? Maybe the forum genius can explain that one to me. QOL for junior guys in each category always has, and probably always will continue to suck, that's the alpa way, but I still believe that there is a better way that would offer more opportunities to the junior guys other than to sacrifice pay for QOL or vice versa.

acl65pilot

Doesn't have to be a crossing. They could go to ROR!

I guess you could stay if you wanted to and wait for that DH!

acl65pilot

T- It is the seniority based way, it is not union dependent.

scambo1

That is the funniest post I have ever read!