Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-17-2011, 06:47 AM
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No, not really. With longevity-based pay, you wouldn't see senior pilots packed in senior categories. They would be more evenly distributed.
If the company had to furlough, the F/O's would already be set to go. The junior Captains forced back down would distribute evenly across the former F/O spots. I'm not even sure they would need to be trained at all. I haven't spoken about the senior-most Captains yet, but these would not all be on one fleet, so they would hang in there, undisturbed, and not making waves for the company. So DAL could take a slow and measured approach to displacing only the junior-most captains, which would be conveniently parked at the bottom of each A category. And since senior pilots wouldn't populate any particular fleet, the loss of one entire fleet, even the most senior, wouldn't even need to be weighed by the company against large displacements either.
You've actually built the perfect cascade-less, flexible, scaleable, shrinkeable airline.
Congratulations.
If the company had to furlough, the F/O's would already be set to go. The junior Captains forced back down would distribute evenly across the former F/O spots. I'm not even sure they would need to be trained at all. I haven't spoken about the senior-most Captains yet, but these would not all be on one fleet, so they would hang in there, undisturbed, and not making waves for the company. So DAL could take a slow and measured approach to displacing only the junior-most captains, which would be conveniently parked at the bottom of each A category. And since senior pilots wouldn't populate any particular fleet, the loss of one entire fleet, even the most senior, wouldn't even need to be weighed by the company against large displacements either.
You've actually built the perfect cascade-less, flexible, scaleable, shrinkeable airline.
Congratulations.
03-17-2011, 06:51 AM
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No, not really. With longevity-based pay, you wouldn't see senior pilots packed in senior categories. They would be more evenly distributed.
Seems to me that if the company had to furlough, the F/O's would already be set to go. The junior Captains forced back down would distribute evenly across the former F/O spots. I'm not even sure they would need to be trained at all. I haven't spoken about the senior-most Captains yet, but these would not all be on one fleet, so the company could take a slow and measured approach to displacing them. And since they wouldn't populate any particular fleet, the loss of one entire fleet wouldn't even need to be weighed by the company against large displacements either.
You're actually trying to build the perfect flexible, scaleable, shrinkeable airline.
Seems to me that if the company had to furlough, the F/O's would already be set to go. The junior Captains forced back down would distribute evenly across the former F/O spots. I'm not even sure they would need to be trained at all. I haven't spoken about the senior-most Captains yet, but these would not all be on one fleet, so the company could take a slow and measured approach to displacing them. And since they wouldn't populate any particular fleet, the loss of one entire fleet wouldn't even need to be weighed by the company against large displacements either.
You're actually trying to build the perfect flexible, scaleable, shrinkeable airline.
03-17-2011, 06:55 AM
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But, if you insist
This is a good article actually. It's one of those things you tell a kid to never stop playing. It's about Antoine Carter, a Auburn d-lineman, doing the improbable in chasing down the reigning Heisman winner Mark Ingram and causing him to fumble to save the game and the national championship hopes for Auburn. He didn't have to try given Alabama was destroying Auburn and was up 24-0 and Ingram was about to make it 31-0. But the 258 lb Carter standing probably 15 yards behind Ingram who was already running down hill tried anyways. And it worked.
Hustle*pays off as Auburn tops Alabama in epic Iron Bowl - Andy Staples - SI.com
03-17-2011, 07:01 AM
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Well, I'm just trying to show everyone the professionalism that we Auburn and Alabama fans do actually show each other despite the Al from Dadeville's of the world and that guy with the radio show in HSV.
But, if you insist
This is a good article actually. It's one of those things you tell a kid to never stop playing. It's about Antoine Carter, a Auburn d-lineman, doing the improbable in chasing down the reigning Heisman winner Mark Ingram and causing him to fumble to save the game and the national championship hopes for Auburn. He didn't have to try given Alabama was destroying Auburn and was up 24-0 and Ingram was about to make it 31-0. But the 258 lb Carter standing probably 15 yards behind Ingram who was already running down hill tried anyways. And it worked.
Hustle*pays off as Auburn tops Alabama in epic Iron Bowl - Andy Staples - SI.com
But, if you insist
This is a good article actually. It's one of those things you tell a kid to never stop playing. It's about Antoine Carter, a Auburn d-lineman, doing the improbable in chasing down the reigning Heisman winner Mark Ingram and causing him to fumble to save the game and the national championship hopes for Auburn. He didn't have to try given Alabama was destroying Auburn and was up 24-0 and Ingram was about to make it 31-0. But the 258 lb Carter standing probably 15 yards behind Ingram who was already running down hill tried anyways. And it worked.
Hustle*pays off as Auburn tops Alabama in epic Iron Bowl - Andy Staples - SI.com
03-17-2011, 07:02 AM
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Not trying to build a scalable, shrinkable airline.. just trying to build in protections in the event that it does happen, and also to build in QOL without having to sacrifice money. IF the 747s get parked... how many guys will take a paycut? I'm tired of arguing this with closed minded people.
I'm just screwing with ya t.
03-17-2011, 07:03 AM
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Not trying to build a scalable, shrinkable airline.. just trying to build in protections in the event that it does happen, and also to build in QOL without having to sacrifice money. IF the 747s get parked... how many guys will take a paycut? I'm tired of arguing this with closed minded people.
I'm sure you'd be the frst to argue NFC's are not worth the paper they're printed on, so the better protections are always financial or physical limitiations placed on the company. If they have to train everyone in huge cascade events because people are displacing to a different airplane, they have a serious incentive not to reduce/furlough without a long-term payback. I don't know what contractual protections you would wish to add, but these cannot trump the limitations that would be recognized by the company's own bean-counters.
So I think you're tired of arguing this because you've just found the perfect argument against longevity pay, and you're stuck. I hadn't even thought of it beforehand: longevity pay is the perfect way to ensure easy, smooth, economical reductions in flying.
03-17-2011, 07:08 AM
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Not really. If we had a pure longevity-based system, you could look at the captains in any given category (assuming the flying was not particularly ugly or great), and cross out the junior 10, 15, or 20% (whatver the company wished to reduce). If T isn't in the bottom of his category, there would be no reason he would need to displace at all, because the distribution of Captains would be close to even across all fleets. Tha's the problem: T wouldn't have to be displaced, and neither would most people.
03-17-2011, 07:11 AM
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Not really. If we had a pure longevity-based system, you could look at the captains in any given category (assuming the flying was not particularly ugly or great), and cross out the junior 10, 15, or 20% (whatver the company wished to reduce). If T isn't in the bottom of his category, there would be no reason he would need to displace at all, because the distribution of Captains would be close to even across all fleets. Tha's the problem: T wouldn't have to be displaced, and neither would most people.
No, I probably would be displaced... and I stand an even better chance of being displaced if the whales get parked.
03-17-2011, 07:12 AM
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03-17-2011, 07:13 AM
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Why would Delta want to park the 747s right now anyways?
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